Committee to Reconsider Decision to Kill Deerhead Lake Geese

The committee will be discussing alternative methods to control the geese population

The township committee will be revisiting their decision to have the United States Department of Agriculture come in and kill the Deerhead Lake geese population at its caucus meeting at 7 p.m., just after

“The committee is rethinking the whole situation,” Mayor Mark Dykoff previously said.

Committeemen David Most and Gary Quinn along with Recreation Director James Wioland met with an eagle kite vendor recently.

The demonstration by the eagle kite vendor was “productive,” Most said. The device mimics an eagle to scare the geese. Although unsure how the eagle kite will work in the long-term but it comes with a money-back guarantee, he said.

“With a money-back guarantee, why would you do the capture?” he previously said.

The Hotaling family of Lakeside Drive South was relieved to hear the committee would be reconsidering their to euthanize the geese.

“We’re very distressed of any harming of the geese,” Gwenn Hotaling said.

Feeding and watching the geese brings the family “great pleasure,” she said.  The Hotaling’s look forward to the bird’s arrival yearly as they get to witness the goslings hatch as well as learn how to swim and fly.

Ernest Hotaling, 86, has lived off the lake for more than 40 years and has created a sanctuary for the birds, he said.

“Geese are a wonderful thing. I’m delighted to have water where they can enjoy it,” he said. “They’re no harm to anyone. After September, no one is here. I’m here.”

People move to South Jersey to experience the environment, Gwenn Hotaling said, adding that human beings are encroaching on the bird’s habitat.

“It’s like moving to the ocean and being mad at the waves," she said. "Our very short summer needs are outweighing the needs of nature. It’s serious. It’s not just like picking up leaves. They’re living creatures.”

But not everyone on Lakeside Drive South welcomes the geese with open arms.

“Whatever it takes. Get rid of them,” one resident, who declined to provide his name, said.

He had to put up a wired fence around his backyard to keep the geese out.

“There are too many,” he said. “It’s very disgusting.”

Susan Siering was torn, though.

“Initially I thought it was a very brave decision for (the committee) to do it,” she said. “But I feel horrible for what happens to the geese when they’re gassed.”

Return to Lacey Patch on Friday to read about the committee’s decision.

Marion Ambler March 22, 2012 at 06:07 PM
They don't leave because they are waterfowl and grazers and your lakes and beaches provide a perfect natural habitat for them. They also don't leave because geese are biologically programmed to return to the same nesting spot every year and goslings to return to the area they were raised in. It's their home is why they don't leave.
paddler March 22, 2012 at 06:46 PM
@Marion your statement "They also don't leave because geese are biologically programmed to return to the same nesting spot every year and goslings to return to the area they were raised in. It's their home is why they don't leave." Is exactly my point. Thats why we need to reduce, then control the population. Thanks for making my argument for me.
Patty A March 22, 2012 at 06:58 PM
@ Paddler: For all your posts and comments (on other sites) you have yet to offer documentation for an actual COUNT of the so-called, "resident" geese at Lacey or indicate how large the affected area. "Reduce" WHAT? The one goose continually shown in the picture or the TWO geese chased from the lake the other day? So far, presented EVIDENCE has failed to show any kind of "overpopulation" of geese --unless one or two is considered "overpopulation." Good grief! Talk about "intolerance" for nature!
paddler March 22, 2012 at 07:07 PM
@Patty Residents of Lacey are well aware of the overpopulation of geese and do not require documentation. Thanks.
Marion Ambler March 22, 2012 at 07:11 PM
paddler, wrong - I didn't make any argument for you. The comment I addressed was why human feeding doesn't influence a goose's behaviour. That doesn't mean they will stay there if they feel threatened via harassment. Again ...the question is why does any community ever have a goose 'over population' problem when many other communities proactively prevent it with egg addling? You survived quite well with your present goose population thus far so it is hard to understand why egg addling to stabilize the population wouldn't be enough of a goose management plan.
Marion Ambler March 22, 2012 at 07:14 PM
You are living in a global community with today's technology; the USDA is also going to be held accountable one of these days for killing geese without documentation of real problems and when it comes to Canada geese there is really very little evidence they ever cause the problems they are accused of. You will rarely if ever see or hear experts ranting about the dangers of Canada geese.
diane March 22, 2012 at 07:18 PM
I hate geese poop, it's huge and looks like dog droppings. That being said, just cannot get behind killing anything with fur or feathers......all other methods must be tried, has anyone contact Rutgers University? They are a wonderful source of information, they were helpful when the condo. I work for had a deer problem. Can't blame people who live near the problem for wanting it gone but anything other than mass killing....please.
Patty A March 22, 2012 at 07:21 PM
Central Park has been successfully managing its goose population for years and geese have NEVER been rounded up and gassed or sent to slaughter. As Marion point out, this is done through habitat modification, harassment during spring and egg addling. But, the fact some people like Paddler keep clammoring for "reducing" the geese (i.e. a euphemism for KILLING) in the face of so much EVIDENCE that clearly shows killing neither works nor is in any way, "necessary" really has to make one wonder. There seems to be something wrong with a person that screams "KILL, KILL, KILL" at every turn, rather than looking at the FACTS and EVIDENCE which both, Marion and myself have presented repeatedly on this Patch site. Truly pathetic. Small wonder our country is in such a hole with rigid, cruel and hysterical thinking like this in contrary to actual facts.
paddler March 22, 2012 at 07:27 PM
it's pretty clear to all of us in Lacey who the "ranters" are.
Patty A March 22, 2012 at 07:41 PM
Well, it ain't Marion and I, Paddler, ranting and clammoring to "Kill, kill, kill!" And sure, you can say, I am misquoting your actual word to "reduce, reduce, reduce." But, we all know what "reduce" means in the real world of USDA Wildlife "reductions." Jeeze, what is more sickening than all the euphemisms we use to disguise and hide the truth from people? "Marshmallow fluff and political spin doctors." But, here is the reality, Paddler. If the truth is so ugly that we have to seek marshmallow fluff to cover and hide it, then maybe, just maybe, we should take off the blinders and look up the actual WORDS in a dictionary. You won't find "KILL" for the definition of "remove." And you won't find "gas chambers" and "slaughter" for the definition of "euthanasia." The people of Lacey and everywhere are entitled to HONESTY more than anything else -- including "goose management."
JOHNNY Done it March 23, 2012 at 03:27 AM
Just like the bear hunt the towns people (noth jersey)complained the twp didnt step up the state Fish &wild life stepped in authorized a hunt had activists involved in that. The hunt went thru.....The state is going to see that population is not going down because some towns will not reduce the herd...They just going to cause a problem in the next town .Than the state is either going to have a special hunt or increase the numbers you are allowed to shoot..I think its( 3 for every 100 hunters thats 300 geese),They move it to 5 for every 100 hunters thats 500..So like i said before Win Win & it will be legal & just need patients .Hunting season will come..
robert pietruska March 23, 2012 at 07:39 AM
The people of lacey township and especially the residents of deerhead lake deserve to get their lake back. Whatever way the township decides to get rid of them, they had better act quickly or we the residents will lose another valuable season of a great township recreation area. I have been watching these strangers come to our town and tell us what to do with our problem geese. Whatever happened to people first, then everything else. The geese have already claimed mill pond. it's time to act. If it were a deer or bear problem, we would be calling in hunters to thin the population. these same people would be out there with signs to save the deer. It's ludicrous to think that outsiders should be allowed to dictate the policies of our town. Council wake up & get the job done. Let's bring back beach revenues and retake a wonderful asset to the residents of lacey township.
Patty A March 23, 2012 at 02:45 PM
Well, just keep terrorizing and blasting the geese out of the skies in rural areas, Johnny and then watch what the survivors do. They flee to public parks and urban areas where the guns aren't allowed. And then all your pals at Lacey will complain about "too many geese." But, the ones people should really blame are the hunters who initially almost brought the geese to extinction, then brought them back as hunting "targets" and now once again, send the geese on the run and fly -- to urban parks. Its hunters who created ALL the problems in the first place, but once again, it becomes a case of "blaming the victims."
Patty A March 23, 2012 at 03:00 PM
The fact is that it were not for "outsiders" every Elephant and every Rhino would be hunted down and slaughtered in Africa for their tusks. (As it is, the African Black Rhino recently went extinct anyway due to poaching.) Euopean minks are on their way to extinction due to be hunted for fur. 5,000 of them still barely exist in the wilds of Russia. Even penguins in the Arctic are not "safe" from humans overfishing their main food source -- sardines -- and now face possible extinction. Too bad some "outsiders" didn't protest when hundreds of millions of passenger pigeons were hunted to extinction in the last century. You may think you live on some separate planet, but you don't. Were it not for "outsiders" intervening in mayhem, we would not have one bison or eagle left in this country -- OR Canada goose.
JOHNNY Done it March 23, 2012 at 03:12 PM
Dont worry patty you missed the neighboring town..what you did is bring attention to this enough the local hunters are going out even though they may have not in Sept. 3 geese at just 100 hunters is 300 geese. legally taken out. Not counting the incidentals or unaccounted ones..you did nothing but piss off some residents.Thats why before the meeting i said it was a win.. As they said in the wild west days. break out the street cannon and rack that load ..GEESE SEASON IN SEPT...Thanks for your help...
Patty A March 23, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Yea, I guess that was the reaction in Africa when conservationists (i.e. "outsiders") tried to save the Black Rhino from being hunted and poached to extinction. But, not to worry now. The African Black Rhino is just one more species added to the very long list of what has now officially gone extinct. Way to go, human race!
JOHNNY Done it March 23, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Patty thats africa you can bribe them people with a brand new toilet & weeks worth of McDonalds to stop killing bugs..Lacey has alot of hunters & land to hunt....you are dealing with NJ too. Dont think that someone wasnt counting on this..
paddler March 23, 2012 at 03:33 PM
@Johnny D Bag limit this year for resident Canada geese has been increased to 15 per hunter. 100 hunters X 15 = 1500. Daily. Sept. 1 - Sept. 30.
Patty A March 23, 2012 at 03:35 PM
Just one problem, Paddler: How does one turn TWO geese into 1,500? What 'cha guys smokin' there in Lacey?
Fake Name March 23, 2012 at 03:47 PM
More lies from Patty. I drove by yesterday and there were 60-70 geese there, that may not even be the top of the population in town, we don't know. But when you blatantly lie about the numbers, you show your true colors as a carpetbagger who does not care about Lacey Township and the welfare of our great citizens, only the the welfare of wildlife.
JOHNNY Done it March 23, 2012 at 03:47 PM
@ patty there was a game farm in this town.They raised small game for the lands for hunting..There are some people that live off the land here..Probably having a goose on saturdays when company comes over
JOHNNY Done it March 23, 2012 at 04:25 PM
Take pictures post them on paddlers face site..& send to it to the committee..I & my neighbors havent bought beach badges since. 2003... Too much geese crap. I am sure i am not only on that feels that way..Lost revenue for the town..Like i said before dont let the geese crackers get to you..come sept join us i diffenitly going hunting & aint a thing these people is going to do about. it...
Patty A March 23, 2012 at 04:31 PM
There were TWO geese in Lacey when Goosebusters was there last week. All the photos posted in numerous Patch articles fail to show more than TWO geese on the lake. So far, we have seen a grand total of THREE geese in documented photos from the location. No quotes from Audubon or reputable bird watching organization. Just a lot of hot air and fake "stock" photos posted on Paddler's FB page. No geese are raising goslings this time of year. If you guys are going "spin" a lot of crap, then you should take the time to do some actual research on geese.
Fake Name March 23, 2012 at 04:37 PM
Great, that doesn't mean there are only two geese there. If I go onto the parkway at 3AM and see no cars, does that mean there is no traffic problem? I believe the demo was on 3/16/12, when the high temperature was 51 and it was cloudy. Yesterday when I drove by it was 70 and sunny, I wonder why you only saw two geese. If you are going to continue to lie about the geese in this town, I and I'm sure a couple other residents will CALL you on it.
JOHNNY Done it March 23, 2012 at 04:41 PM
@ patty. or maybe someone came & cleaned house already at no cost. The beach busters. LOL
paddler March 23, 2012 at 06:26 PM
I don't feel it is necessary to prove to Patty A the number of resident Canada geese we have at various locations in Lacey. What I am concerned about though, is that all of my research indicates that hazing or scaring tactics only move the geese to another location. Also, that they become habituated and the techniques become ineffective after time. There are examples of golf courses or corporations having success with border collies or a few with the eagle kite but these are individual sites. The problem is widespread in Lacey - there are many locations, public and private, where the geese are causing problems. Will Geesebusters simply relocate the Deerhead Lake geese to the fields between the high school and middle school? Or maybe Klune, Gille, or Hebrew. It has taken the town a long time to acknowledge and take at least some type of action on this problem. Let's not stop with the lake(which isn't over). Johnny D had a great idea. When you see large numbers of geese or the damage they have left behind, please take a picture and post it to https://www.facebook.com/LaceyCanadaGooseAdoptionAgency with date and location. It doesn't matter if it's a soccer or baseball field, playground or your backyard - iit will help document the problems so it doesn't take another ten years to get the attention of the town council. Thanks!
Patty A March 23, 2012 at 07:50 PM
Paddler, if you are going to make claims and allegations, it is incumbant upon YOU to provide some evidence to those allegations. So far, you haven't. As for the photos on your FB page, they are obviously stock photos taken at some unknown location and a different time of the year. Based on ALL the evidence provided so far, there is NO "goose overpopulation" problem in Lacey -- unless three geese are "overabundant" in a town of supreme intolerance.
Fake Name March 23, 2012 at 08:47 PM
More lies from Patty A. She just wants to give animals the same rights as humans. And for humans to voluntarily give up our spot on top of the food chain to her precious animals.
T- Bone March 23, 2012 at 09:17 PM
Where Is The Border Patrol Kite???
Cheryl March 26, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Paddler and Johnny, I live nextt to Deerhead Lake for 15 years. The vets in the area tell people to not let their dogs swim in the lake because they get sick. The same for local doctors. Shoot them on the land or out of the sky. But do it in a controlled purposeful manner. Any chance we can convince local butchers to clean and freeze some and feed the foodbanks? Wolfgang might do it. I will upload group photos. Black rhinos need to stay in Africa and so does Patty A.


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