Precisely! There is no endless pot of gold.

Where are all the complaints about the $1.6 billion contribution to the pension plan that does nothing to benefit 99% of the residents and is an amount larger than the municipal aid provided.

Imagine that. More of our tax dollars go to the pension of a few instead of providing services and tax relief to 8 million people.

Priorities are mixed up.

The pension payment was law ,just like the judges ordered Christie to pay an additional 500 million to Abbotts last year ,Christie must ocbey the laws ....

Dentss, I understand that it is the law. The question is why would politicians pass laws that don't benefit the citizens?

Priorities are mixed up. The polticians choose to pass laws that benefit a few at the expense of the many.

Erroneous flood zone maps, overkill house-raising mandates and exorbitant annual insurance costs... FEMA wants NJ to bail it out of its Katrina debt!

Join our fight. Congress must correct the 2012 Biggert-Waters Act that gave FEMA the power to drown homeowners and NJ's entire economy. Info is at StopFemaNow.com and Facebook.com/StopFemaNow.

Save our Shore Communities!

no, he just keeps raising taxes to pay for the teachers outrageous salaries

Joe T you are correct and I bet you if you took a survey of the 560,000 state employees they would all agree with you. STOP PAYING INTO PENSIONS. Pay the employees their full pay and let them invest their own money. Great Idea Right? Then how will the state borrow against it if it actually paid the employees the money they pretend they do?

Keep in mind who the writer is.

@suz

That's the way this kook and his cohorts operate....scare tactic's and lies. Look at his picture. It's at least 20 years old. He doesnt want you to see he's a old grouchy man. Dishonesty is their mantra.

Dan...what is an acceptable profit margin? 0%? Explain that to stockholders. Stockholders like anyone with a 401k or pension who invest in safe, reliable industries like oil. But I guess you are entitled to 100% retirement from Social Security right?

Oil is already taxed 20% more than what the company profits are per gallon.

@dan callahan

No I watch fox on my Sony tv and I drive a bigger Escalade. I sit on my Samsung cell phone reading moronic posts like yours and Jeff Tittel's. You even allow Jeff to look intelligent. LOL MORON.

Oil is already taxed 20% more than what the company profits are per gallon? What is that guy smoking? Carbon is taxing all of us . Let's see , destroying our commons(you probably don't give a crap) like our air,and water,overuse of dilapidated bridges and roads to transport 20th century energy, global warming(but you'll never hear about that on Faux and Freaks). This is while they use our military, consisting of mostly poor and what's left of the middle class to fight over their foreign oil fields, so that the uber rich can only complain about not getting another tax loophole. Today's Republicans are pathetic.

@James D'Monquay

I just went to the site you suggested. They don't think highly about Jeff and his lies either. But of course Jeff and his merry men of kooks (AKA The Sierra Club) are DemocRATS.

James dont waste your time using FACTS & TRUTHS with smal minded LIEberals like DC. They do not posses the mental capicty to understand them. As for teh death pannels didnt obomie the big eared kenyan commie or 1 of his comrades samesomething about healtcare rationing boards (aka death pannels) recently? Of course DC & his leftwing ilk wouldnt know anything about what really goes on he most likely gets his "news" from PMSnbc. OBTW notice the special ed show has been canceled cant compete against The Orielly Factor so thats what 9 competetors oreilly has knocked off & his ratings cotinue to rise while pmsnbc hit new lows.

@proudnot2bliberal
O'Really doing better? That's a joke! His ratings have dropped 26% and Hannity dropped 35%. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/26/fox-news-ratings-february-oreilly-hannity_n_2768265.html Ed will now be on Sat and Sunday with a '60 min' type show to expose everything that the corporate filtered yellow journalism you admire, now hides.
Death panels? How about constitutional ACA? Sore LOSER?
Which of the Greedy Old Pharts are we going see in the next Republican circus primary?
36 mos. of increased job growth, 7.7% unemployment, lowest federal spending since Eisenhower(according to Forbes)http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/ .
Get a life. Go to school and ask a teacher, or maybe read a book.
Oh yeah, commie? How's the stock market doing? Not to mention the price of home sales going up 10% from Jan '12 to Jan '13(strongest growth in 7 years) http://www.inman.com/news/2013/02/11/home-prices-show-strongest-growth-in-7-years
While you were busy watching Faux News and Freaks, the real world moved on.

yup ok the gluehuffer post yeah thats a "main " stream "news" source why not site teh cartoon network. But FACTS (LIEberlas worst enemy) speak for themselves
from http://www.medialifemagazine.com/this-weeks-cable-ratings/
Top five cable news networks in primetime (25-54): Fox News Channel, HLN, MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, FBN.

Top five cable news programs (total viewers): 1. Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor” (Wednesday, 8 p.m.); 2. Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor” (Thursday, 8 p.m.); 3. Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor” (Monday, 8 p.m.); 4. Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor” (Tuesday, 8 p.m.); 5. Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor” (Friday, 8 p.m.).

(As for the so called rise in the stock market it defies any logic & business sense. If you can open your mind (because in all my dealings I have found LIEberlas are the MOST closed minded ingorant of all. If it doesnt fit thier mold they belittle name call & besmirch aka Palin, malkin, bauchman, cruz, tea party ect) you might try googling george sorros www.one-world-government.org/george-soros.html

@proudnot2bliberal
Yep , your right up there with honey boo boo. Must make you proud! http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/11/honey-boo-boo-breaks-records
'As for the so called rise in the stock market it defies any logic & business sense' You said it, you guys are really only using the lower half of your brain.
As far as your cast of characters that you bring to the primaries, that probably had the largest rating for a comedy!

it is called theft

Too much time on the Mister T Potty watching Bill (O'Really?). No facts,general obtuse talking points with a 'Grumpy Old Plutocratic' myopic,dwindling, audience.
Tired of spending our money on gov't control of a woman's body, more money going to red states than they contribute(start with Kentucky, home of Mitch McTurtle), money going to supplement oil companies who make record profits, money going to defense contractors who are still supplying equipment to fight the cold war.

Oh how weak your memory is. Remember that war that all the hippies hated? Who escalated it and what party was it?

BTW, when is Gitmo shutting down? Wasn't that the first thing Obama signed in January 2009?

Hippies? You mean the people that helped end that ridiculous war. Private citizen Nixon extended it by stalling the peace talks and promising the So. Vietnamese a better deal if he were elected. That prolonged the fighting so that he would be elected. 'Tricky Dick' Republican. How many more troops died because of that political move? Similar thing with the Iranian hostages and the father of trickle down my pants Reagan.
Worth watching and researching if you want real information
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R7v69T0528

Gene, I love how you ignore any responsibility Kennedy and Johnson had in Vietnam and place the blame on Nixon! Seems hypocritical to me. Dems escalated Vietnam and the blame is on the Repub for not exiting faster. Fast forward 40 years, everything is Bush's fault and Obama is just another victim.

Yeah, that's why the disparity in income between the uber rich and everyone else is off the charts. Stock market doing pretty damn good for those pathetic souls at the top of the food chain. That what conservatives live for except it's never enough without trying to hurt everyone else.

Gene,

Why is it that you feel that someone is owed anything just for being born? There is no free money out there. Every dollar was earned, fairly or not, by this generation or by ancestors. Nothing is stopping you from creating the next great thing except your imagination and how much risk you want to take.

Life isn't easy, and its harder for some. But that didn't stop Obama from becoming President. A Black man, from a Single mother, that lived much of his life in a less developed country. Is he in the White House because he was entitled to it by birth or because he worked his ass off to get there?

Christopher,
Free money? Is that the tax breaks that the uber rich get to pay less of a percentage than their secretaries. Maybe it's the money we give to Exxon Mobil, or the revenue that 'we the people' send to red states because they are backward thinking like the ones implementing 'right to work'(for less) legislation. Why do we give corporations a free reign over destroying our commons.That's a tax on all of us. Why is it that a well to do surgeon has to pay about 35% in federal taxes and Mitt Romney pays 14% ? Why is it that outsourcing jobs still can get you a tax break with the silent Republican filibuster in the Senate? Progressives don't want to spend other people's money, they just want the same set of rules that the corporate welfare queens get. As far as Vietnam, Kennedy and Johnson were absolutely involved out front, but tricky Dick , that's a story by itself.

@Gene, "Is that the tax breaks that the uber rich get to pay less of a percentage than their secretaries".....

It is completely obvious that you do not understand the difference between income tax rates and capital gains tax rates because that is what creates the difference in percentages between the "uber rich" and their secretaries. If the secretary own some stock and gets some dividends, he/she too would enjoy the same tax rate as the "uber rich" he/she is working for. The lower tax rate for capital gains is an INCENTIVE, and incentive for the "uber rich" to invest and keep their money in the market so that other entities have an opportunity to leverage that capital to grow their business and in turn the economy, and in turn create jobs.

The surgeon pays 35% because it is earned income, Romney pays 14% because it is capital gains, he put that money at risk through investments, investments that probably helped other people keep their jobs, get their jobs, increase their own income, or created a new business.

Yourself and every other like-minded individual falls prey to the irrational class-warfare claptrap that our current Campaigner in Chief uses to divide this country.

As for the "pathetic souls at the top of the market", you can thank your Federal government for that set of smoke and mirrors since they are propping up the market artificially by pumping trillions of dollars into the market with their quantitative easing (QE1, QE2, QE3) efforts.

7 of the top 10 richest members of congress are Democrats. John kerry avoids paying taxes because he owns municipal bonds and invests in Bain Capital. What a crook

Since barry likes to spend and add to the debt to give out free stuff, i wonder does he still think the debt is bad or not. Hahahahahaha. What a tool

'and in turn create jobs' @ Son of Liberty
That's a laugh! What .jobs? The only real jobs are those created by demand from disposable income that middle class workers spend. I guess you think that the Paris Hilton's of the world can sit around their pool,wait for their check, and get a better tax break than someone who works for a living, so she can be a 'job creator'?
Romney puts his money at risk? Where, in vulture capital investments that pay off for him whether the company succeeds or goes bankrupt and screws the people who work there? Class warfare? You have NO CLASS if you want to cut lifelines to the poor ,old, and sick just to pad those at top who have the biggest disparity in income since 1929. That is pathetic and so is today's brand of Republican corporate puppets. You lost an election because the message is old,greedy,white,disgruntled, sterile corporate, and way out of touch with 'we the people'. The only reason that you retained a majority in the house was because of gerrymandering. The DEMS had 1.5M more votes and all you can do is tamper with the voting districts. PATHETIC!

Gene, your mindset is what enables so many of the useful idiots. Every stupid argument you use is the same nonsense every libtard has been angrily ranting about for decades and every libtard politician is going to "fix" yet none of the crisis ever get fixed.

@Son of Liberty
Libtard? Coming from someone who probably lives in a Foxhole and uses only the lower half of their brain. You represent the party of NO, record obstructionist filibusters, the party of freaks and halloween primaries. The party of kiss a.. politicians who only represent corporate contributions. Trickle down has never worked for a nation anywhere on the planet, and you think that someday it will magically do what mathematically it can never do. The only thing stupid in my argument is the oaf on the other side who doesn't get it. Your side lost an election because most people are starting to get it. Demographics are changing in this country and you are bowing to the almost extinct Greedy Old Plutocrats. If you want to race to the bottom,knock yourself out!

First off, are you implying that @SonofLiberty is stupid and therefore in the Army? Really?? Wow. That says much more then anything else.

BUT....let's tackle your hypocrisy and confusion anyway.

If we are the party of "No", then why didn't all of these problems get solved in 2009 and 2010 when the Dems had control of everything? Are the Dems innocent of Gerrymandering, taking contributions and filibustering? Is that what happened? The Dems are perfect little angels that never play any political games like saying a Senate Bill is reconciled in the House so a vote can be avoided. Nope a Democrat would never do any of that.

You do understand that Gerrymandering originated with the Democratic-Republican Party from the early 1800's which claimed Jefferson and Madison as members. The modern age Democratic Party is said to be the "Party of Jefferson". Seems y'all created it and have used it to your benefit. Why no outrage? Please look up North Carolina's 12th Congressional District and California's 11th Congressional District for present tampering.

"One of the most notable filibusters of the 1960s occurred when southern Democratic senators attempted, unsuccessfully, to block the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by making a filibuster that lasted for 75 hours, which included a 14 hour and 13 minute address by Senator Robert Byrd." And against a minority too. Shameful skeletons in your closet Gene.

@Gene,

All your cliche rants aside, your "vulture capital" accusation just goes to show how uninformed you really are. I have had the pleasure and at times the displeasure of knowing a lot of folks in the venture capital world. I have worked for or had working relationships with start-ups funded by these types of people, both ones that have gone on to succeed but also many that have gone on to fail.

Maybe if folks would not take MSNBC, Media Matters, and The Huffington Post at their biased word's, they wouldn't so falsely believe that VC firms are all evil. While I am not a water-carrier for Romney, every time you go into Staples to buy something and feel you got a good deal and good service you may want to thank the man for putting his capital at risk to restructure and save Staples from completely going out of business.

Are some VC's and "uber rich" greedy, selfish, uncaring groups or people, sure, but for every one of those I have come across I come across multiples more that are genuine caring people that go about their charity quietly and their business ethics honestly but that notion would never sit with someone like yourself because you seem to only be fueled by hatred for the very people that create opportunity in our economy.

Unfortunately for you, I have met just as many greedy and uncaring "poor" people and/or "middle class" folks so the door swings both ways.

@ Christopher Chrzanowski
You neo-cons just see black and white and are blind to all shades of colors. When I say Foxhole(with a capital F) it has nothing to do with the military whom I respect. It means that you are stuck in your cave with Fox and Freaks(TV).
To answer your question about 'control of everything'.... when you get your facts lined up correctly, you will see that the Dems only had a filibuster proof majority for 2 months in 2009. That was until former Senator Brown-R was elected in a special election to take Ted Kennedy's spot. Since then , there have been a RECORD number of Senate silent filibusters to obstruct bills that would have created thousands of good paying jobs. These were done for purely political reasons and without regard for those in need of work and the rebuilding of our infrastructure.
You bring up 2 areas where Democrats gerrymandered their districts.... that pales in comparison to sneaky Republicans trying to change the rules in some states like PA, where if implemented, a majority of presidential electoral votes can be obtained from a state, even if you've received less votes overall. That's because your current party can't win on their message,so they will resort to trickery and voter obstruction like in the 2012 election. Also, the last election had 1.5M more votes going to Dems and yet they still don't hold the majority in the house.

60'S Democrats? You mean DixieCrats like Sen. Strom Thurmond, and Sen Jesse Helms that switched to the bigoted southern Republican Party of today. Or do you mean the Democrats who were replaced down the road by other Republicans. Robert Byrd was part of that KKK good 'ol boy crowd , but it was Democrat Lyndon Johnson who twisted a lot of arms and signed the Civil Rights bill that Kennedy had started. Shameful?

@Sons of Liberty
What kind of turnover does Staples have? How many of those employees can afford to feed a family and own a house? Thank you Mitt Romney for the Walmart type jobs that you have created. I wonder how much money he and his elite friends have stashed in that p.o. box address in the Cayman Islands where 18k boxes are stored at one address. Is that so he can avoid paying taxes to the USA? Their solution to our debt caused by 2 unfunded wars,an unfunded medicare part d prescription plan, and an unpaid for tax cut that favored the top 1% is to take away benefits from the poor,while they are also getting a tax break by outsourcing jobs? No thank you. If your party wants to win,you need to change your message and not just sugar coat crap.

yeah Gene keep drinking that obama/ows koolade
FACT is conservitives put thier money where thier mouth is & GIVE unlike the blowhard LIEberals who want to generous with YOUR (our) money.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/charitable_giving_liberals_vs_conservatives/

& since you'll blab on & on about righwinged news source heres one form that far rightwinged NY Times (darn those FACTS & TRUTH kep getting in the way )
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=0

umm Gene this may come as a really BIG surprose to you since you watch PMSnbc but incase you didnt knwo the Soviet Union FAILED, Cuba FAILED, N Korea FAILED every communist society has FAILED. Thier people living in dire poverty & brutal supression, gee lets look back at history & FACTS. I seem to remeber many people defecting from the Soviet Union & I remeber 1000's floating across the Straits of Florida. Despite your delusions of gradure (or mental issues from decades of smking pot as a hippie in the '60's) I NEVER recall anyone other than a few anarchists defecting from the US to a communist country.

@proudnot2bliberal
Communist country? Stock market at record highs. Uber rich have the biggest diversity in income since 1929. Time to take off your goofy glasses and maybe go back to school. You sound like an idiot.

Joe T- you better go read the fine details of that budget...and use a calculator too to ferret out all that war money under different titles in the budget beside DOD.

Is that your excuse? Show us where it is hidden if so.

I know, maybe it is hidden under welfare spending or in Medicare which adds $600 Billion a year to the debt.

You might be a nice guy but I'd rather see you show me in the detailed federal budget where instead of taking your word for it.

Here let me help - Table S4 summarizes the budgets. Which area is the war spending hidden in and further why does it never go away if the wars ended?

Defense
Non-Defense
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
TARP
Other (welfare, etc)
Interest

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

Actually Joe- it's under different depts, like the Dept of Veterans Affairs for one. Money for defense in the budget is over $1T, not the $678B that it just shows under DOD...As for the war expenditures, you would need the disbursements from the Treasury Dept over the past ten years. Don't believe that information is available on Internet. Remember that budgets are a planning tool for future appropriations, doesn't indicate what was actually spent.

Actually Spooner, that's not true. War spending is on budget and in the DOD budget. Claiming other programs is like saying social security spending should be under basic government ops. The last 4 years produced $6T in new debt. How much of the "war" spending was this from?

In 2012, Medicaid/Medicaid spent over $750B and only took in $210B of Medicare taxes.

That info is most certainly available.

Remember in 2007 when the deficit was $170B and you probably and others said Bush was an idiot and spent too much - even Obama said the debt was irresponsible & unpatriotic at $9T (it's almost $17T now Mr. Unpatriotic President)

now the deficits are $1T a year and the spending despite no wars is higher. Explain that.

The historical budget tables are available on the Whitehouse website. I assume you can find them and review them on your own.

Joe- let's get down to the "meat and potatoes" of the DOD. Go to Washington Post tonight and read their story how Lockheed Martin spread the production of the new joint attack fighter(F 35) across 45 states employing 130,000 people. The last project(F22) will cost the taxpayers $422M per plane. The DOD is nothing more than a corporate welfare disbursing center to create jobs for Congressional constituents...Get Real!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/f-35s-ability-to-evade-budget-cuts-illustrates-challenge-of-paring-defense-spending/2013/03/09/42a6085a-8776-11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html?hpid=z1

Spooner,

So where in the budget is the F-35 being funded. Your source fails to show that it is anywhere but DoD. You've been called out to show it, don't pull a monkey out of your rear and confuse the issue. Show WAR spending outside the DoD budget.

As for the F-35 specific, it started prior to 1996, so you can blame the Clinton Administration for all the associated costs.

Spooner, why can't you disprove my comments? Like Obama, you like to move the goalposts when losing on facts? If as you say "DOD spending is corp welfare to create jobs", I would take that over the corp welfare providing free phones and other freebies that doesn't create jobs.

Sounds like you are ok with DOD cuts and the resulting job losses from sequester.

Show us all where in the budget the failed stimulus spending is or where the free phones or Obamacare spending?

Here's a question for you? Why is DOD spending rising under Obama?

07 DOD - $530B
08 - $595B
09 - 637B
10 - 667B
11 - 678B
12 - 688B

Obama spends more on DOD than Bush ever did. AND that is with the wars winding down.

source: Whitehouse OMB historical budget table 4.1 outlays by agency

How about this. Why is Dept of Agricultcure spending $150B a year vs $90B in 08? 67% increase? What for?

@Joe T
Obama is the smallest Gov't spender since Eisenhower. That is from right winger Steve Forbes....http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
Checkmate!

Forbes site is
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

@Gene, you are so willing to take any article or representation of the situation that fits your needs as fact therefore becoming a useful idiot for the Liberal Agenda.

What you fail to realize and probably will fail to accept because you are so beholden to your Liberal Alter of Worship is the fact the little bar graph has an asterisk at the end of Bush's 06'-09' budgets where it mentions that the 2009 Stimulus has been re-assigned to Obama yet the graph does not factor that in.because anything Obama spent in his first year in office gets added ON TOP OF BUSH'S BUDGET FOR 2009 and winds up looking like Bush's spending. Can you say the bogus $700 billion in spending for the Union payback stimulus package Obama signed.

Let us not forget the now more than $1.5 Trillion in spending that will come with Obamacare that magically doesn't start to kick in until 2014 so it has yet to impact Obama's spending numbers just yet.

Let us also not forget that debt as a % of GDP has gone from a high of about %68 at the end of Bush's last SIGNED budget and is now over 100% under "The Messiah".

Let us not forget Obama's "tax cut for the middle class" which cut the payroll tax 2% for three whole years after is was extended one year. The payroll tax funds that ponsi scheme you Libs are so beholden to and Obama gladly underfunded it for three years despite fear mongering the GOP wanted to steal it and have the elderly eat dog food by reforming it and giving younger citizens an opt-out.

@SonOfLiberty
Liberal agenda? What agenda? Look at your screen name vs. mine!
From CBO.GOV
'CBO's Current-Law Baseline
CBO projects a $1.1 trillion federal budget deficit for fiscal year 2012 if current laws remain unchanged. Measured as a share of the nation’s output (gross domestic product, or GDP), that shortfall of 7.0 percent is nearly 2 percentage points BELOW the deficit recorded in 2011, but still higher than any deficit between 1947 and 2008. Over the next few years, projected deficits in CBO's baseline DECLINE markedly, dropping to under $200 billion and averaging 1.5 percent of GDP over the 2013–2022 period.'
As far as the asterisk in the right wing Forbes piece, it represents an $831B stimulus spread over 10 years(from 2009-2019). That hardly puts Obama's spending anywhere near the previous buffoon.
'Union payback stimulus package Obama signed'?..... You mean keeping middle class automobile jobs in America because the Bush depression destroyed disposable income for those who would would have otherwise bought a car?
You mean the USA car mfg's that came roaring back, unlike the bankers who kept the money under W's stimulus?

@SonOfLiberty
Obamacare? You mean the constitutional ACA signed into law that is already cutting the curve on rising expenses? You mean the law that Paul Ryan is trying to butcher by keeping the income revenue and getting rid of the benefits for those who need it? You mean the law that takes away discrimination from those with pre-existing conditions and covers our children until they are 26? Your argument like Paul Ryan's is old just like the demographics in your party.
Let us not forget that the DEBT as a % of GDP that Bush last signed did not include 2 unfunded wars, an irresponsible tax cut, and a medicare part D prescription plan that weren't added to the books until Obama took office.
Your comment on the payroll tax holiday is ridiculous. The tax was temporarily reduced in 2011 and 2012 to help stimulate the economy. It was re-established in 2013 back to it's original form. Check out your buddies...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2013/01/14/dear-america-your-higher-payroll-taxes-are-not-the-result-of-a-tax-increase/

@SonOfLiberty
Ponsi scheme? Didn't a loser Texas governor and another loser, whacky female member of congress go there in a primary. You mean the insurance policy that we pay into , that unlike the free market, protects the young who lose parents, or those suffering from a disability. You mean SS, that is immune from market fluctuations,and that MOST Americans want untouched? You mean the system that can't collect any more revenue from those who earn over $113K?
If a younger citizen wants to invest separately in a retirement plan to augment SS, then more power to them

@Gene, you're a very well trained Liberal aren't you. Seems you can copy and paste with the best of them and are indeed a http://tinyurl.com/9xg3h

An no "Your comment on the payroll tax holiday is ridiculous". I happen to understand it was a "tax holiday" but Obama sold it as a tax cut for the middle class and while it did increase people's take-home pay temporarily it cut funding for that "insurance program" you love so much and made it even more insolvent than it already is. A tax cut is a cut in THE RATE of taxation.

Look, I understand that we will agree on absolutely nothing, which is fine by me. The problem is you are beholden to a party that is for one thing and one thing only in the grand scheme of things, BIG GOVERNMENT and CENTRAL PLANNING, unfortunately there are more and more Republican RINO's that are for the same things, just not a the break-neck speed the Liberals are.

If you would step back from the "team sport" aspect of politics and start to look under the hood a bit more you might be more open to understanding how the current administration is actually destroying this country just like I admit that a decent amount of what the last administration did had the same effect. His last year in office was a fiscal disaster and Obama has tripled down on that with spending because he can get away with drones like you blaming Bush for five years now.

@SonOfLiberty
Oh yeah, I just love beating a NEOCON over and over with the facts and he then comes back with useless inflammatory bowel disease out of his mouth. Want to look up definitions? Try Teabagger while making a G... rumpy O...ld P....hart
Tax Holiday definition:
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/payroll-tax-holiday.html
Since, as a tea potty oaf, you only see in black and white and have no depth perception until you trip over the facts, i thought I'd help you out.
'Making Work Pay' tax credit of 2009 and 2010 was nixed by your greedy side in favor of instead ,the payroll tax holiday that was implemented. Sure Obama got some relief for the middle class, but he had to touch revenue going into SS because your side didn't want to give him credit for a straight up tax relief package .
'Look, I understand that we will agree on absolutely nothing, which is fine by me. The problem is you are beholden to a party that is for one thing and one thing only in the grand scheme of things'(your words) and that is greedy corporate welfare legislated by political puppets and the dinosaur dweebs who believe their nonsense.
This is our country. It IS a team sport, it's called 'We The People'. Not me, myself, and I.

@SonOfLiberty
In case you weren't paying attention. Federal spending under Obama is the lowest since Eisenhower.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
Copied and pasted from one of your favorite peeps.

Thanks for the information

Of course Patch does not get paid to publish Jeff Tittel's blog. We do not get paid to publish any blogs and we do not pay those who write the blogs.

Denise...why do you post this advertorial under Local Voices? Obvious he is not...and obviously he is PAID publicist and lobbyist. He is not posting "his personal" opinion he is posting sound bites that he his told to publish..therefore he is a professional.

Will you give a private business person..ie a Pizza Parlor owner ...a free blog in which they ONLY post how great their pizza and pasta is in every post? I doubt it! But that is exactly what the Patch allows this paid lobbyist to do!

stand corrected for the spelling error, not for my opinion regarding paid lobbyists getting free press for their agendas.

I too have have asked about this with no answer and what s really troubling is Mr Tittel now relies on The patch to do his replies . He should not be allowed to post in local voices . Because this is a group with a agenda . And are lobbyist Paid . Its goes against The Patch TOS and its being allowed for one reason . It gets replies Replies is how they judge there audience . If we all just stop replying perhaps The Patch will start listening . Other wise your just feeding his agenda But to correct someones spelling his name wrong goes miles to say exactly where the Patch stands on This Subject . Denise your wrong for doing so . Tittel is here to sell the Extortionist Guide To Environmental change .The Americas Cup Just had to Pay this group 225.000 dollars because they said sailboats would effect the environment . Instead of paying the millions of dollars they where asking for Mr Tittels Group Settled Out Court For 225,000 dollars Ask him or I will Sir where is this money going >>
And further to suggest what Tom should write about again is a over reach of authority
What has Tittel contributed that has helped ONE Sandy Victim and for that matter the entire Sierra Club its Self . Organize a clean up NO Help cloth the homeless No
Help with Beach or Marsh clean ups NO .

John Eric Mangino
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Tom Cular
The owners of the Patch WANT you all to post as does the editors. Contraversal stories get you all to post. Especially posting on the garbage Jeff Tittel writes about. They are gonna keep him posting because we all post back. See the vicious circle?

You are correct, spoken. I liked Patch when I discovered it but I've lost some respect for it now. it claims to be a local paper but it is more like show business. And in show business they say bad publicity is better than no publicity. Same here with Patch. They don't care that Jeff's pieces are really propaganda from a paid lobbyist. Someone new to Patch would think he's just their nice neighbor with an opinion. You know, a REAL local voice. So Patch is happy to get ANY response from us.
Come on, Patch. Step it up. You're turning into the old supermarket check out "newspaper" with headlines like "Men from Mars live among us".
If you were honest you'd identify him as a lobbyists. If you were smart you'd charge him to advertise.

If aid to Egypt is getting your blood to boil, you must have a heart attack since we give triple that amount to Israel and she regularly spies on us – ex. Jonathan Pollard. And on top of that aid the United States grants huge loans to Israel that are never repaid because as a matter of routine we “forgive” Israel from the debt. That is how Israel can claim it has never defaulted on a loan from the US.

The mansion was not damaged the dunes did there job.

JT - we looked into solar panels and a tankless hot water heater. We did that as homeowners looking to save money in the long-term. It wasn't a tree-hugger decision, it was a move that we saw as being financially advantageous for our household.

So I was surprised to hear that there were NJ state incentives and rebates. Doesn't seem like taxpayers should pick up the cost of something we're doing that benefits us financially.

Plus, these things aren't cheap, so anyone who is installing them doesn't really need a tax cut or assistance. So you can look at the program from that angle as well.

And I'd say that even if the stat could afford it, which it currently cannot.

Solar panels do not save anything without government subsidies. They break even (dollars saved / dollars spent) at about 30 years. The life span of a panel is 25 years.

Yep. We saw the same thing with the tankless water heater, it just doesn't pay off $-wise. We decided to put it off until the merchandise becomes less expensive.

fossils fuels are a dead end, that's a fact. anyway you slice it. take the 4 billion we tax break to big oil and shift it in to silly new fangled contraptions like wind mills, and plant or sustainable more clean biofuels, the windmills been around a while i think, biofuels have too

Ever try to run your car with a windmill? Kidding aside, the technology is not cost effective yet.

Everyone is aware that Apple has a profit margin about 2.5 times larger than big oil and we pay about $0.49 a gallon in taxes.

So what's a fair profit margin? And what right do you have to set it? Don't like oil, don't buy any. There are alternatives. Take responsibility. You do something, don't whine on a computer about how unfair life is. Get over it and grow up. Nothing is ever fair. Everyone has an angle.

Yeah, I've got no beef with the small rebates and discounts for conservation, such as the online store that sells the Cree LED downlights. I've been sticking them up all over my home in place of incandescents. But the solar panels on the utility poles is just ridiculous. There is a massive subsidy embedded in power rates to accomodate this "run the meter in reverse" crap for solar electricity. Like I said, if it don't make sense on Maui at Latitude 20 N and 300 sunny days a year on the dry side of the volcano (Wailea area), it can't make sense anywhere. Instead those jokers are putting up windmills or as I call them, bird shredders.

"Solar panels do not save anything without government subsidies. They break even (dollars saved / dollars spent) at about 30 years. The life span of a panel is 25 years."

Your information is a couple of years out of date. Cost of solar panels have dropped quite a bit over the last few years. The life span of 25 years is incorrect. That is the length of time the panels are guaranteed- similar to a car warranty and cars last longer than the warranty most of the time don't they.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/04/30/473744/three-charts-that-illustrate-why-solar-has-hit-a-true-tipping-point/?mobile=nc

"The average cost of a solar panel has declined by 60 percent since the beginning of 2011"

From NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/business/energy-environment/solar-group-reports-surge-in-us-installations.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&_r=3&;

We artificially keep the price of gas low with subsidies and an expensive foreign policy. Factor all that in at the price of the pump and the alternatives would look a lot better. But that's not where we are at the moment.

WHAT????

You are beyond confused here. SOLAR IS ONLY COST EFFECTIVE DUE TO SUBSIDIES!! Do the math. Get a quote for a panel installation, and see how long it will take to pay for itself without any subsidy. If its longer than the lifespan, you lose.

It cites that this is referring to NJ summers bc all of the teachers are traveling around on vacation on the taxpayers dime polluting the air with their newly purchased Hummers.

Wow, so it's even less valid than I originally thought. Thank you.

yeah teh regan cell phone but 1 major FACT that does jive with your arguement Hand held cell phones didnt become popular till mid to late 90's. before that it was car & bag phone.... REMEMBER .....But as a good LIEberal you never let things like FACTS get in the way isnt taht what they do at PMSnbc

yeah again FACTS not PMSnbs BS ... regan debat ... dems had controll of both houses & spent away despite thier broken promise to cut spending
http://www.redstate.com/nikitas3/2011/05/25/about-that-reagan-debt/

as for W he was a RINO

Dems had control of both houses for 2 months in '09. After that, FORMER Sen Brown took Ted Kennedy's vacant seat. Since then we've had record filibusters in the Senate by the party of NO and obstructionism. Check out the real facts before you make a fool AGAIN of you, and your warped political viewpoints.

I just like how Erik Ericson in that link doesn't give you all the facts surrounding the fiscal antics during the Reagan presidency...

Hey Tom M.1. I don't drink the kool aid of any political party, I believe that most of them are liars, no matter which party or what level of governnent they are are in.
2. The Ass that currently lives in the White House, when he's not on vacation is the biggest liar since Nixon.
3. I don't pick political parties, I choose individuals.
4. If that's to hard to understand, I feel for you.

@Tom Cular
' I don't drink the kool aid of any political party'
'The Ass that currently lives in the White House'
Son, you are pathetic!
Hey, take a look at how many more vacations W had. Change the channel once in awhile or maybe try reading a book

Yeah but again let’s look at corslime & his ties to the leftist on Wall Street. As for the idiotic comment about Christie being responsible for the strip malls & over development of NJ? really I ve only lived in Nj for less than a decade but I think that was done WAY before Christie entered into politics.
So try to at least come up with something marginally believable... even for the ingorant. I mean PMSnbc/sierra clubers will beleive anything they are fed

You do know you're battling on a local message board with a HS kid from Salem who will just start posting under a different name by mid-week. Right?

Because you are. He's also done some memorable work with the racist and homophobic personas, some of which are above.

@Harry Armpitts
Republican math. 1/2 of June - Labor Day= 8months. Looks like you must have flunked out and became Gov of Wisconsin

And he's good at hacking into accounts. Which is nice.

Another lame Republican name game.

what else would you expect from a "paper" founded by nitwit ariana huffington former owner of gluehuffer post aka huffington post. You know teh bigtime LIEberal who sold her comapny form $315 million & LIEberal hypocryt ariana huffington didnt pay her bloggers ak awritters. KEEP BELIEVEING LIEBRALS CARE FOR YOU

@proudnot2bliberal
First you have to learn to stop stuttering, then learn how to spell, then maybe put your comments in the right sequence. Nah, even then you have weak arguments. Give it a rest. You sound G..rumpy O...ld and P...athetic

Ummm.....what?

Ah! Another candidate for a tin-foil hat. I take it then, you agree that Tittel has no basis for his opinions and is just a celebrity seeking wanna be.

Read and be educated:
http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/no-government-spending-really-isnt-going-up-right-now/