Go Green! LOL Green . . . . . . the new red. How about Solyndra? A half a billion dollars of taxpayer money handed over to the Solar company by the Obama Admin. & the company goes bankrupt. Follow the money and what to you find? Campaign donors! The whole "green" energy issue is nothing more that an environmentalist screw the taxpayer scam that puts our money in the pockets of the politically connected.

Walmart's windmills will not cost the public a dime. They save energy and create an atmosphere of acceptance for alternative energy - which is needed for our (grand-children and future generation's) survival.
You can't dismiss the last 50 years of environmental awareness and advances into green energy because of ONE failed company!
Well, I mean you CAN... if you're not too bright.

Just the tip of the iceberg on projects the gov. is blowing our money on to pay of poltiical donors etc.
http://thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors-mainmenu-46/10295-each-chevy-volt-costs-taxpayers-250000 - 38k -

http://patdollard.com/2011/09/nanci-pelosis-brother-in-law-is-on-board-of-directors-of-recipient-of-737-mil-solar-energy-subsidy-others-are-major-dem-donors/ - 28k -

more out there for those interested in more than what's spewed by the mainstream media and politicians.
50 years of "environmental awareness" and multi-billions of taxpayer dollars and infringement on property rights and where have we progressed? A clean environment is one thing but phoney green energy projects backed by taxpayer money to pay off political cronies is another. Follow the money rather than the pull at your heart strings rhetoric from activists, mainstream media and poltiicians.
Also, research UN Agenda 21 to see where the "environmental awareness" agenda intends to lead the U.S.
Walmart has the right idea if there is no cost to the taxpayer. Private companies should not be subsidized by our money. They should take the risk and either reap the benefits if successful or take the loss.

Yup,I told everybody this was gonna be approved months ago!!!
So much for the neighbors!!

Well it looks like the circus is coming to town. No vision, no clue, it's time to get ride of the board of adjustment members too. I hope those who voted for the status quo are happy with this decision. Wind mills are good, just not in parking lots. Please remember this next November.

I think the lady on the planning board that voted no summed it up pretty well. This project benefits only Walmart and has no business being approved when it does nothing for the town. Just sayin....not to mention it will look like trailer park city when you enter town...

These wind turbines do belong in the town, but sadly not in the wal mart parking lot. The board that voted for this should be held liable for the first accident that will happen to some poor shopper who gets hurt by these wind propellor blades when they weaken over time and fail. There is plenty of land west of the Parkway for these so called new energy projects. It's a damn shame that people will have to live with the decisions of a few people. When will Lacey wake up? I'm afraid it will be after the first accident. What a shame?

mattie helen simply hates all things new. especially new energy. check her comments she once said she was disgusted that the grade schoolers had hung up recycling drawings saying our kids our being brainwashed. much as helen loves to throw her cans and bottles in the woods recycling brings a lot of revenue into every town that does it.helen of course never said a peep when bush bailed out the banks to the tune of $8 trillion dollars no problems there for helen. solyndra went under because the price of panels dropped . in the u.s we have decreased our solar production to 6 % while china now has over 50% of global solar production investing $30 billion it it last year alone. thats why china is running circles around us because of those like helen and tim o connor who cplain about 4th graders drawing recycling drawings with all those horrible trees and clean rivers and oceans in them.helen if you want to moan about government how about starting with christie sticking it to the middle class once again with a 50% tax on just driving .

These wind turbines are guaranteed to underperform as similar wind turbines have all over the country.
http://www.theforecaster.net/content/p-wind-energy-ordinance-dimillos-nelson-and-small-010412
One problem being that the Walmart is in a Poor to Marginal zone for wind according to this US Dept. of Energy map:
http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/images/windmaps/nj_50m_800.jpg
The wind resources exist offshore, not onshore. And if one throws a blade as happened in Lacey Township in 2011 (almost hit a little girl), Walmart has deep enough pockets to settle a lawsuit. As for "inherently beneficial," that was pushed through by Corzine the Crook and NJ's leading wind industry cronies, Sen. Smith and Asm. Chivukla - both from Piscataway where wind turbines will never be built. They did that before a lot was known about wind turbines in our state. And the AWEA (wind industry lobbyists) staked their claim in NJ a couple of years ago too. But there is one remedy for this outrage. And I urge folks to pass the concept on and go viral with it........BOYCOTT THE LANOKA HARBOR WALMART!!!!! There are Targets and K-marts and the like not that far away.

yes bill heller boycott the lanoka walmart i,m sure that will be a success . yes we spend $400 billion a year to opec for oil and our skies are filled with filth from the koch brothers coal companies. the same koch brothers who got caught supplying iran. windmills are sucessful all over the world but your plan sounds so much better.one girl had a blade land hundreds of yards away from her . how many little girls became homeless after the gulf oil spill cost their fathers their jobs and then their homes? how many little girls are drinking poisoned water from mountaintop mining for coal?we have enough technology to make cell phones do everything except sing and dance and you would rather stick to a form of energy hundreds of years old. mr moss i never heard a peep from you when 8 trillion dollars of taxpayer money was donated to the banks to give themselves millions in bonuses but you are more concerned about a company who at least tried and had $1 billion in private investors before the govt invested in it.. sound like your priorites are a little askew.

This is going to get interesting,lets put many large rotateing & swinging masses of heavy metal gears, drive shafts & impellers up in the air over eveybodies heads & cars ,in a buisy public parking lot,mabie a little snow & ice & wind might help.....Walmart will have to install sighns that say,CAUTION,HARD HAT AREA!
WAY TO GO LACEY!!!!

grime planes have all sorts of spinning parts and gears and do quite a bit more damage when they fall out of the sky from icing or mechanical failure . maybe we should ban all planes too

funny thing grime that family that were killed a week ago from icing left from an open airport. the continental commuter plane 2 yrs ago also crashed from icing, planes in every airport have crashed on icy runways including the flight in washington in the 80s that landed in a frozen river so either you mean that airports close all winter or planes have become iceproof and no one told the media

grime the whole way walmart was built sidestepping zoning laws. the only reason it got built in the first place was because the groceries part of the store was supposed to be offices. people step out the front doors and within a foot or two cars have gone past the front doors at over 30 mph. its a tragedy waiting to happen and youre worried about something happening that is about the same odds as winning the lotto.as for planes they are the same as windmills whereas they are machinery subject to ice like conditions only they fall from thousands of feet on people not 35 ft so i think you answered the question on the bigger hole issue.

and if my car got hit with an icicle i call my ins company and let them cry to the township

I think what we are all saying, in our own way, is that this was a very bad idea. I can't believe the board of adjustment let this happen on the applicant's verbal statement that this was safe. If you really want to scare yourself, Google "Wind Turbine Catastrophes" and imagine some of that happening in the middle of a busy parking lot. Granted, the applicant said their turbines were different, but that's nothing but a big "so what." Prove it. At a minimum, the board of adjustment should have demanded a written opinion that this product was safe for its intended use, but they didn't have the backbone to do it. I also discussed these turbines with an engineer who works with wind turbines. He believes the turbines are nothing but a marketing scheme, because they do not have the "wind resources" in this area that was claimed by the applicant - the area is too flat. Tim's right, we have to wake up and remember these things next November. It's time to clean house and let intelligent, responsible and responsive people manage this town.

It is time to replace the good old boy political hacks on the board of adjustment with residents who actually care about the township. Inherently beneficial for the community is the rule not inherently beneficial for the land owner. It's time for a change in our municipal government!

Remember when Walmart snaked through with the township planning board the size of their parking lot (too small) in relation to the store size. Don't forget this was intentionally over looked by the dishonest people who make these board decisions and Walmart together.
Now it's time to be the guinea pig. This will be the first mill parking lot in the country. I hope Walmart doesn't forget to pay their Insurance premium on time.
Well, now on the bright side, With the extra taxes Walmart will be paying for the improvements, the town council will be able to signifigantly lower the budget mess they got us into. Right? Just look how much the big box stores (Kohls, Home Depot, etc) have lowered the deficit here in town. Thats what our politicians promised us,remember!!!! WHAT A LYIN JOKE.

should be fun in an ice storm with chucks of ice flying...or the blades coming off and smashing your car. Never might when a pigeon or birds gets sliced in half and falls on your head. Many small turbine operation ceased because of the bird deaths. The electricity will be going up and down with the wind...causing harm to the local grid...but of course this is about money. There are much more effective ways to save energy...though those don't get the same government kickbacks...which of course is what this is all about.

I won't want a chainsaw on an 85 foot pole in a wind...have you seen the numerous tower collapses or blades flying off in a strong wind... Having industrial machine overhead in a public place is going to end badly! Not too long ago a wind turbine tower collapse at a school yard...thank god no one got killed.

ventura guy or should i say tim o connor because i,ve heard you use the dead pigeon rap before you think its about kickbacks? what about the $4 billion a year the big oil companies get in tax payer subsidies? this was after they made yet another year of record profits you dont seem to have a problen with that but 10 light poles have your knickers in a twist. yes i,m sure the walmart parking lot will look like the civil war injured and dead photos from hunks of flying ice and blades. by your 2012 apocylypse description we should ban all swimming pools to you can look up how many kids are drowned each year.

venal guy according to a california study out of 10,000 birds 5500 deaths happened because of flying into buildings (especially at night when the lights confuse them) , cars killed 700 , cats killed 1000, the rest were from pesticides and a whopping one bird out of 10,000 killed by wind turbine. tim o connor would have better odds of a pigeon pooping on his head than to have a dead bird fall on that thick noggin. lol

The Walmart wind turbines are probably too small to be a real danger to birds and bats, but larger ones truly are. And it's not pidgeons or songbirds, which are applicable to the "cats kill more birds" argument. Raptors and other predatory bird species are the ones often killed. Most are threatened or endangered and also very territorial. A kill in a territory means a breeding pair is lost. Ecologists are too often turning a blind eye to this. Also, the larger ones kill bats beacuse the sharp change in air pressure near the blades makes their lungs explode, they don't need to be hit by the blades. Each bat eats a lot of mosqitoes every night, we need them. More to the point, however, is the danger of these turbines throwing a blade. This just out today in a newspaper in England where a number of these small wind turbines lost their blades in a storm. But Walmart, the DEP and the town council have taken a 3 monkeys positiion...hear no wind turbines, see no wind turbines, speak no evil of wind turbines. Here's the story....
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2012/01/06/wind-turbines-ripped-apart-by-gale-force-winds-in-hudddersfield-86081-30069314/

Let's face it, folks. Trying to fight these individual battles with current leadership is like banging your head against a wall. We need to band together for the common good and work toward a better result in November. It is only by changing leadership that we will be able to clean house on all these boards and commissions and replace cronies with responsible, intelligent individuals.

http://joemiller.us/2012/01/u-s-cities-strangled-by-cost-of-ballooning-pensions/

if you want to see what bats##t crazy looks like read what helen is all about. agenda 21 is an idea by alan west of florida to try and scare people into believing that enviormentalists those dangerous people who are trying to keep the ocean and forests clean and unharmed are going to pull u.s citizens from their homes and put them in work camps using eminent domain . then they will abolish the u.s constitution. this of course after we have a meet and greet with aliens from outer space. funny thing about those like helen and tim o connor they are against big govt but have no problem with the ultimate govt power that of being removed from one's own home that which is called eminent domain. who knew that the enviormentalists formed an army stronger than the u.s military itself. this wacky idea brought to you by helen and alan west a politician in florida who has mainly seniors in his district and is trying to gut their social security and medicare. helen, o connor and west its a scary world out there.

want 2 say you sound nutty too . because someone disagreed with your death and blood chaos scenario you accuse them of being on the payroll? i,m glad that person did let you blow.

sigh, just read through all the above comments again.
kind of wish i never did in the first place.
so much anger here, and everyone is (figurtively) spitting at each other.
i just caught myself doing the same because some fool called me nutty.
All i can say is, i wish i never got started commenting in the first place,
and i'm pretty sure if this whole conversation continues, it will only get worse.
so, i will not be checking back. Peace.

build solar car ports in wal mart parking lots and parking lots every where

there is no beauty in a parking lot ppl

If this windturbine thing is such a great idea, why isnt every parking lot in every state doing the same thing?
55DB's a? AT WHAT DISTANCE FROM THE WINDTURBINE WAS THIS SOUND READING TAKEN FROM!?
ALSO,SINCE WHEN IS THE TWP ENGINEER A CERTIFIED WINDTURBINE INSPECTOR / EXPERT!?
THIS IS A CLASIC NETWORK SCAM!!!!!

meanwhile they were allowed to pave over the monitoring wells at the new 7/11 and not a peep out of grime or tim o connor or any of you. try building a house and see if any violations get ignored. this town and its leadership is still run by the good ole boys

Wind power is just silly.