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Governor Tells Public: 'Get the Hell Back on the Beach'

Christie not ruling out allowing Point Beach to possibly tax parking lots and drinks

 

First the governor talked about how the state has made great strides in getting the Jersey Shore ready for Labor Day weekend, opened roads and enabled thousands to move out of shelters back home.

"If you can afford to come down here this weekend, come, take a deep breath and enjoy the last beautiful weekend of summer and support the local businesses," he said as he stood on the Point Beach boardwalk.

Then a television reporter told him his "Go Back to the Shore" message was way too subtle.

"I've rarely been accused of being subtle," Christie said. And he knew a cue when it was handed to him.

"So I guess you want me to say, 'Get the hell back on the beach!' "

It was hard to tell who was tickled more: the TV reporters or the throngs of admirers pressing around the media cluster on the boardwalk, in the blazing sun on Friday afternoon.

Before and after his press conference, crowds swarmed Christie, asking to pose for photographs with him or to get his autograph.

But not everyone was impressed.

"If it was Jon Bon Jovi, then I'd be excited!" said Annette Brice of Pennsylvania, who was having a weekend family reunion in the resort.

Christie opened the press conference by mentioning the progress that's been made since Hurricane Irene paid her unwelcome visit.

Christie said that in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Irene there were 850,000 electric utility customers without power, now reduced to about 40,000.

When asked what he thought about JCP&L's job performance in Irene's aftermath, he said, "The state Board of Public Utilities is going to do a full investigation of all utilities, but I think particular attention will be focused on JCP&L."

When asked if he is doing anything now to compel JCP&L to help those still without power faster and more efficiently, he said, "Oh, we're all over the JCP&L folks. I told them I want this done by tonight at midnight or someone is going to have to answer for that."

He said there were 12 deaths statewide caused by the hurricane.

On Sunday afternoon, there were 711 roads that Irene had left impassable, but that number has been reduced to eight, Christie said.

The original number of 15,000 residents in shelters has been reduced to 450, he said.

Later, Michael Drewniak, Christie's press secretary, said, "The 15,000 represents the highest number sheltered at one time. We sheltered many more during the storm/flooding, but in waves."

Christie said he will meet with President Obama when he visits Paterson on Sunday to visit storm-torn areas.

"I'll tell him what's going on in New Jersey," he said. "We've had the worst flooding we've had in over 100 years."

Christie said FEMA is still assessing property damage and will then determine if any damaged Jersey Shore properties are eligible for FEMA aid, Christie said.

He said anyone whose property was damaged in the storm can call FEMA about filing a claim at 1-800-621-FEMA.

Christie urged the public to patronize Jersey Shore businesses this weekend to help merchants who count on the summer revenue "to sustain them through the winter."

When asked about the financial challenges faced by the municipality of Point Beach, Christie was less assertive.

Mayor Vincent Barrella, who was at the ramp at Arnold Avenue to greet Christie when he arrived on Friday afternoon, has often expressed frustration that state law does not allow the municipality to impose taxes on parking lot revenue, like Newark does, and alcoholic beverages.

He has said he has written to the governor and the state treasurer and even met with the treasurer, but never seemed to make headway.

When Christie was asked about that idea on Friday, he said, "When mayors, like Vincent, make recommendations to me, I'm going to listen within the context of the whole state," he said, gesturing towards Barrella, standing next to him. 

"The mayor will be at Drumthwacket on Thursday, along with many other mayors, and I'll listen to what they have to say," Christie said.

Related Topics: Hurricane Irene

BN

6:49 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011

Bon Jovi is an over-rated has-been.

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7:23 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Bon Jovi is an over rated never was!

Mike

6:57 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011

Those new taxes of course will be passed on to the consumer. Mayor Barrella, does the word "BOYCOTT" mean anything to you? See how much revenue your town gets then.

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don andretta

7:56 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011

i saw many beer delivery trucks in 4 days of riding the roads in monmouth and ocean county, and not one jcp&L truck in all my travels. this should tell you something, we can all cry in our beer.

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sandinmytoes

11:36 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011

I am completely baffled by the subtitle of this article. Christie is quoted as saying "When mayors, like Vincent, make recommendations to me, I'm going to listen within the context of the whole state." In other words, if the recommendation is good for the majority of the state, then he'll consider it. PPB elected officials seems to be the only shore town elected officials who are trying to drive away tourists, and Christie is clearly working hard to try to overcome that problem for our local businesses. Christie knows that local option taxes will only drive tourists away, and the economy simply cannot handle any more loss in business anywhere. A picture paints a thousand words. Look at the first photo, of Christie with the business owners. Then, look at the photos with Christie and Mayor Barrella. I don't see any photos of Christie with his arm around Barrella, or of Christie even smiling in those photos with Barrella.

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Spooner

12:22 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011

sand: to retort. . . how much money and support will Christie get from Barrella . . as opposed to the Storino's. . . or maybe. . .a picture is worth a thousand words?

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Charles Clark

9:53 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@Sand, What a bunch of baloney, the tourist are going to come no matter what. No one is buying you're driving away tourists theory. Tourist go and spend all over the country ,state and island. If they pay a little extra tax on something for themselves or what they want to do is not going to stop them. Tourist go to sporting events and concerts, casinos and other countries and states and pay extra taxes on parking and &10.00 plus tax for a drink, guess what they still are going and buying them. Even in islands such as Bermuda, Jamaica, Bahamas, Aruba all charge you for the drink and then tax and tip, please many states and countries, are doing this with the exception of our New Jersey Governor, he wants the towns to take care of themselves, your all on your own but I don't want to allow the towns to do what is right for each individual town. Every town has different issues and impact therefore they should be allowed to do what ever it takes to be able to handle all the impact that is caused and created from both the tourist or visitors of your own town. The tourist and visitors all would be helping paying towards our town's impact after all when we go to their state, country, island and we help them pay for there's. We are the fools. Mayor Bloomberg from NYC raised the sales tax on clothes because NYC needed the money to help pay for the visitors that shop in NYC that has an impact on the state, guess what many are still shopping in NYC.

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Charles Clark

10:13 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@Spooner, Clearly you can see the picture, the Storino family has their claws all around our Governor, even more than ever. A picture sure is worth a thousand words, When you support any politicians this is exactly what happens, they will need them and their money again down the road, can't step on anyones's toes, so let all the tax paying residents pay more. Big businesses and the rich wind up paying less taxes than their maids according to Warren Buffett.

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Charles Clark

8:31 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Let Chris Christie send out surveys to all the residents of Point Pleasant Beach, both full and part time residents. Lets see what all the residents here would like from their town being the residents are being effected by the tourist including the impact.

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sandinmytoes

9:24 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Spooner, I agree wholeheartedly with your observations about the photos. When I was much younger, my father taught me "the Golden Rule": "He who has the gold, rules." My point was about the subtitle, which I think, quite frankly, is misleading or full of false hope. I mean, Christie didn't rule out Santa Clause, either, but that doesn't mean that we can expect Santa to drop a bag full of money into our municipal budget. These local option taxes were a really nice idea when Barrella came up with them in 2007, but now it seems pretty clear to me that we'd be better off counting on the Easter Bunny to lay one big fat gold enegg than expecting we are ever going to be able to get the types of local option taxes that Barrella has talked about since 2007.

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sandinmytoes

9:29 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Mr. Clark, I think you may have misunderstood my post. I have a problem with the subtitle of this article because I think it gives false hope to the people of PPB. It's clear to me, from the photos, that Christie has no intention of working with Barrella or of giving local option taxes to PPB. I wasn't trying to suggest that I don't like the idea of local option taxes. Actually, I really liked the idea of local option taxes back in 2007, when I voted for Barrella. But now, it's been 4 years, and we haven't gotten anywhere other than to tick off politicians in the State and our local big businesses. Again, it looks like we both agree on another topic...namely that we're frustrated with the local option tax situation.

SoylentGreen

4:42 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Someone should tell Christie that summer is over.

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7:24 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Someone should tell Christie that he is over.

Charles Clark

10:03 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@John, I agree! But greed sets in and many businesses gouge the customers even more during a bad economy and even during the hurricane. Supplies and necessities went up. Consumers buy them because they have no choice at all and this is all right to some. Some chalk it up to that is a good business man, I don't that is what you call greed and praying upon individuals in need. I always said lower your prices, have specials and many will start buying and spending, that is how you fuel the economy.

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Jane Reynolds

11:21 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011

in the mayor's article last week he stated that PPB sent a boat load of tourism dollars to trenton only to receive back ~$3400 in return.......of the 2% option tax that is proposed do you really think trenton is going to send it back? And this option tax will not only be paid by the tourists from June-August on the boardwalk.....it will taxed upon all residents at every establishment in town all year long.....so we get to pay too year-round.

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Charles Clark

8:25 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@Spooner, is it possible the slow disappearance of the american working man is because of the computers, robot controlled assembly lines, technology automation keeps on taking jobs away. We had the free trade that hurt so many here in the USA, sending jobs overseas for so much less including customer service, You call up and you get individuals from all different countries except someone from the USA. You don't think that has anything to do with it and on top of that so many employers are taking advantage of the hard working man because of the greed that they do not want to share.

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Charles Clark

8:27 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Don't tell me you believe everything you read. Most of these articles are a bunch of liars and can make anything look what ever way they want.

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Spooner

11:09 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Mr.Clark: I don't mind your opinions. . .but you have to back them up with facts. . .
To make a blanket statement:"Don't tell me you believe everything you read. Most of these articles are a bunch of liars..."

Mr. Dorning states in the article:"The portion of men who work and their median wages have been eroding since the early 1970s.". . .you disagree with that statement... "More recently, the housing bubble helped to mask it by boosting the male-dominated construction trades, which employed millions. When real estate ultimately crashed, so did the prospects for many men". . .You don't think there was a housing bubble and that construction employment went hand and hand with the growth of new housing coming on the market. . .
So if he's lying, where's your proof that shows us that the writer is not telling the truth?

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Charles Clark

10:23 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@Spooner, All I am saying is I don't believe everything I read. Some has truth to it, it is only an opinion of his and how he is seeing it. Anyone can write an article, book, or say something they believe it to be, it usually is the opinion of that writer. You can read the same article, dissect, pull and twist pieces of an article, book or what someone says and get several different opinions and beliefs out of the same article, book or what someone says by different individuals reading the same article. It does not have to be facts all the time, it might be what you believe or have an opinion on. Everyone does not have to agree all the time. That is the problem with this entire town. It seems no one can say anything unless they take a side and only agree with one side or another. You can agree on some issues and not others. ooops, not here in the beach.

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Charles Clark

11:13 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@Spooner, I am aware of the real estate bubble, the market drop, all the jobs that went along with it, It is a no brainer to me, it effected many, jobs, salaries from all walks of lives not just the average man. It effects everyone, it is a snowball effect. You don't think the large companies that sell all the products to all the construction companies who use all the products are not effected all the way to the delivery man. However it was bound to happened. What goes up, eventually will come down. That is how it works, besides the housing market was out of control and it needed to correct itself along with the stock market which a lot is based on speculation like everything else, a lot is hype that many react on. Many were warned and it was ignored. Huge Banks just kept on giving money away to everyone, even though they could not afford it. There is so many things that are wrong and what is going on with our Country. I am tired of paying for everyone else's error's and irresponsibilities including all these Big Businesses, politicians, banks, auto industry etc... it comes a time that no one believes them any longer.

Doris Cauda

12:06 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

The economy stinks and PPB taxing parking, etc. will only make it worse. That's what the 2% cap was for-to teach these Mayors to live within their means. I understand that with the tourists coming here, municipal expenses go up. There should be a happy medium for the towns to recoup what it costs them over and above because of the summer season. Maybe Gov. Christie can explain this to the Mayor and find some solution.

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Jane Reynolds

12:40 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

the boardwalk businesses haul away all their own garbage...so DPW doesn't haul their garbage away...i.e. no cost............they have their own security, as well. we have the amount of police we have in accordance with the study that was done....and the arrests and parking infractions bring in revenue for the town....the town doesn't own the beaches and even if they did, they can only collect enough money to cover the costs, not make a profit.......so don't think owning the beaches would be a plus...and just in case you're wondering this is an agreement signed between PPB and the state of NJ.....the town would also lose the revenue it now receives from the property taxes paid by it's owners......you can only bite the hand that feeds you a certain amount of times before there is a reaction....and PPB can't afford the litigation that will follow. look at the big picture and figure out a plan that will work for all.....our economy is awful and we need to work together and have the all the facts, not just some of them.

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Charles Clark

8:19 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@Doris, The economy stinks? Really? Not here, Don't get me wrong, I am glad that they are really busy. All the restaurants are packed. Do you really think all the tourists are not going to come to PPB because of a few cents? The only ones who are complaining are the people that live here that can't believe what they charge to park to begin with. The residents will not pay, I highly doubt that the tourist will not over a few pennies, I see individuals parking for $25.00 or more in many places and events a few more cents are not going to matter. Individuals will pay, they are on vacation and even out of convenience. Doris, Do you own a parking lot?

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sandinmytoes

9:56 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Doris, I think you've brought up an important point, that many seem to forget. It's not just the boardwalk businesses who are in the tourism industry. Our municipal government is in the tourism industry too. It's just like the bottom line of any other business. The town brings in money (income) from parking fees and municipal tickets (citations issued by the police and parking enforcement). The town spends money on municipal services, like police, to deal with the summer tourists. When you take the first number and subtract the second one, that's where the profit lies. If we diminish tourism, we diminish our "bottom line," our net profits. Quality of life is an important factor, and that's perhaps where the gray area is, the "happy medium" as you described it.

suz

1:12 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Perhaps if they do tax, the "trash" won't be able to afford the cost and stay home...or go to SSH!!!

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gettin by

1:28 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@Charles Clark...exactly. I can just see it now...a family up north heard him and said, "Let's obey the governor! We need to go to the beach because he said so!" Yeah, right.

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pointman

2:38 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Jane I wish more people would read and really understand what you just wrote. It would cost this town thousands and thousands of dollars to own the beach,run and staff.Every time someone stubs their toe a lawsuit will follow and the town will settle. They cant even run a small one like Maryland Ave which they rent out for peanuts.This TAX the the Mayor has been trying to sell will not be given to PPB only it would have to be given to other towns too and like you said Trenton will what their share and the locals will pay year round. Beside there seems to be no support for more taxes.

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Charles Clark

7:44 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@point&Jane, I disagree, it would be just like all the hotels here that has to pay. The town would get half and the state would get the other half or the state could just allow the town to get the tax. We could split 2% on a drink, even at 1% on a drink, we would be in great shape, it would help the impact that our town has and I hardly think that 2% on a drink would stop everyone from drinking. Another 20 to 30 cents on a drink is not going to stop anyone including the individuals who live and drink here, it would be a lot less than having to pay the increased taxes every year. Why should the residents have to pay for the extra services that is needed for tourists. We are tourist in other states, countries and islands and they charge and benefit from our purchases to help them with the impact. Why shouldn't tourists pay for ours? I can bet you there is a lot more tourists that are drinking here than residents. Most residents buy liquor and drink at home. Believe me, know one is buying that the tourists are not going to come to Point Beach because of an extra tax, except for the individuals that are opposing this tax and pushing that theory. Most are not going to buy that, they have luxury tax on furs, boats, etc... there is a tax on gyms and so many still join them. Is it the fact that the state will now know exactly how much liquor is being pumped out in all these shore night clubs and what the owners are making? Put it on a ballot to see what the residents want.

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Charles Clark

7:44 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

To see what all the residents want, not just some.

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Jane Reynolds

8:16 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

and if the residents can go to the liqour store and drink at home so can the renters...

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Charles Clark

8:37 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@Jane, the renters are doing it now, do you really think they go out every night and drink at Martell's it is unfordable. Sure, Martell's get their regulars, however most are new customers every night, some come for the band or DJ who is playing, they are only coming for the night.

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Jane Reynolds

9:05 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

"it would be a lot less than having to pay the increased taxes every year"....that's what I was referring to.........next year we will have to pay by the way of a tax increase for the costs of the storm and other items that are exempt from the 2% cap. people are expecting relief and they may not get what they are expecting

Jane Reynolds

8:13 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

is that fifty-fifty split a fact charles...or just an assumption on your part....because I'm thinking why isn't it a fifty-fifty on the other tourism dollars that go to trenton??? and it's not a matter of 20 or 30 cents it's a matter of another tax...that we all get to pay...and I see plenty of local people out at frankies, farrells, offshore, and the like. there is no promise that our taxes won't go up anyway...there are plenty of loopholes in the 2% cap that the average people will see next year when it is suppose to show relief....like increased health care costs for employees and another example is natural disasters like the hurricane we just had.......since only counties like passaic, union, etc were labeled as disasters and ocean county wasn't in that group don't count on any FEMA $$$....so we will have to absorb those costs and they are allowable under the cap...so ok let the peope decide if they want another tax.

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Charles Clark

8:56 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Absorb what cost? Cost for what? Why should FEMA PAY MONEY OUT? To Who? Ocean County wasn't in that group and that is a good thing for all. Let the residents decide if they will want to pay a tourist tax on drinks, or parking along with all the tourists who visit. That is the only way once and for all instead of everyone going back and fourth who's theory or philosophy is right. The State can do what ever they want and make the taxes and the split anyway they want. Locals do go out, however I don't think they will stop because of a few more dollars, they will go out somewhere else and pay the taxes there so what is the difference. I am not saying residents are not going out to eat, however I doubt they can just keep on drinking and afford to pay $7.00 to $15.00 per drink to begin with, never mind the extra taxes. It might be a once in a while drink, one or two drinks tops, or they go to bring your own bottle restaurants.

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sandinmytoes

2:52 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

I heard that the President has declared the entire State of NJ to be a disaster area. If that's true, then PPB might be entitled to some FEMA money.

Daniel Hennessy

8:22 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Where did the sub-title for this article come from? "Christie not ruling out allowing Point Beach to tax parking lots and drinks"? This Governor HAS RULED OUT THESE NEW TAXES MULTIPLE TIMES!! Also, a little politics 101. The democrats have controlled the NJ Legislature since I was in elementary school. THEY are the government that must approve any local option taxes such as the local option taxes that Mayor Barella has been trying to get for the entire four years he has been in office! The Democrats WILL NEVER approve these taxes unless they get most of the money if not all of it. They then might and I say might throw us a crumb. Trenton is hard ball politics folks!! If you think they are about to allow one small town like Pt Beach to have "local option taxes" then I have this really nice bridge I'd like to sell you.

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Charles Clark

9:04 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

What the same bridge you are trying to sell? Trenton should pay more attention to the big corporation here that pretends they are not making any money ever. They are not a Mom and Pop business. Our Governor should come at night and sit in Martell's and Jenkinson's during a busy weekend night. I think he would change his mind in so many ways. To many continue to turn a blind eye on what is happening here and it has been happening for years including in Manasquan. Right Hennessy!

Cathy Kelly

8:34 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Jane,I believe in honest discussion than your admission that your husband is employed by the boardwalk should have been stated...with that being said..there is much more to the local option tax that meets the eye. When a tax is levied than the cash has to be claimed.We are talking about a multi million dollar corporation that would not only effect the bottom line it would change the outcome of the profits...I fully understand why they would not want that so lets try to work together and let the businesses do the right thing as opposed to taking out a smear campaign(nj.com,news12nj)etc against the residents that have genuine concerns...Alot of us realize the full extent of what is happening...Everyone involved should do the right thing for the people that live here and have to deal with it all....

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Jane Reynolds

8:47 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Cathy Never denied that my husband works at Martells, it's not a secret...in fact the last time you brought it up I acknowledged it...you're right we ALL need to work together to reach an outcomes that is positive. there are many businesses in town that need tourists...not just the boardwalk. and the money already sent to trenton doesn't mkae it back to PPB

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sandinmytoes

9:50 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Ms. Reynolds, you're right. Ms. Kelly has made sure that where your husband works is not a secret. Didn't she send out a lot of personal information about your husband via her e-mail chain when he wrote a Letter to the Editor? I really don't think it's necessary for you to have to waste your letter limit every time you post, reminding us of where you husband works. Personally, I think that if we're going to have an "honest discussion" about these topics, then people from both sides should get to state their opinions. After all, you and your husband are both residents of this town and pay property taxes just like everyone else does.

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Charles Clark

12:38 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

It shouldn't matter where someone works. My wife and I has entirely different opinions than I do. Jane should not have to announce where here husband works every time she would like to make a comment on a posted article. They both can have totally different opinions on issues. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions which many don't seem to understand on many of these posts. You don't have to agree with what everyone says. Even though so many on both sides like to bully each other to think their way only. Some do have a mind of their own. I do agree that the businesses should not have discredit the residents with their smear campaign, but that is also their choice and it might back fire on them. I also I agree with the quality of life issues that should have been addressed long ago. We can't just let everyone do what ever they want and turn a blind eye on many issues which obviously has been happening for a long time. I also feel we should put an end to all the disagreement by putting a question on a ballot, should a local option tax be allowed or not allowed.

Cathy Kelly

8:35 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

The residents don't want anything other than "Quality of Life"...I know it sounds too simple but that is all we want....

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Jane Reynolds

8:58 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

I can appreciate that, but how does an option tax make that happen? the money will go to trenton...mayor barrella himself said of all the money we send now we only saw a return of ~$3400. like many have said in this post they do not believe that the 20 or 30 cents will stop the people from coming here or local people from going out...it's not a magic pill....it's just another tax. that's all I'm saying.

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Cathy Kelly

10:34 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Jane,while,I know you have never denied where your husband works,you also have never put it forward when you post on the articles,and you post on alot of articles. I personally feel when you post,you should be upfront....

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Jane Reynolds

10:49 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

so cathy everytime I post or have something to say I should start out with "my husband is employed by Martells"..........now that's funny. since they are my posts and opinions I think not....perhaps he would like to do that on his posts...

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Charles Clark

10:20 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

If only the State would allow point pleasant beach to keep all the local tax amount collected for themselves, being we already give them so much of the money already. The State should but I know it is not reality.

gettin by

8:56 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

"They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot...with a pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot...Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone..."

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Charles Clark

9:37 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@gettin by, I can bet most of the residents are willing to take that chance, but I can be wrong. Let all the residents vote on wether they would like a tourist tax or not. I can bet you it would not go the way the big corporate businesses would want it to go. Even many seasonal owners are sick of what is going on here and most know where ever they go they pay tourist tax in other countries, states and islands. Some of these seasonal owners travel and own homes in multiply places and this is the only town that opposes so much that everyone else is already doing.

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Jane Reynolds

10:01 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

charles you never answered about the fifty-fifty split on the option tax...fact or not?

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Jane Reynolds

10:10 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

except that it's not just a tourist tax.... it doesn't just apply to the tourists and the boardwalk during june, july and august...it will apply to every person that spends money in PPB at a bar/resturant all year long...it's not like the hotel/motel tax here or in the islands, the local people don't stay in the hotels or motels (at least I don't think they do) but they do go out to dinner and support our local businesses and some even frequent the boardwalk on occassion....it's just another tax. Mayor Barrella himself said of all the money PPB has already sent to trenton we received ~$3400 in return...

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Cathy Kelly

10:36 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Charles,I agree 100%...I think if there was a referendum for a local option tax,I believe the residents would be all for it.. If they were'nt then thats ok too as long as the residents had a voice.....

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sandinmytoes

2:49 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Yep, I think that if there were a referendum question on local option taxes, the residents would vote for it. Absolutely. The problem is that it's not within the control of our local governing body to levy the types of local option taxes that are being discussed. The State has to grant the local governments that ability, which is what they did with the Motel Tax. But, the State hasn't allowed our town to impose the types of taxes that everyone is talking about, and THAT is the problem. I truly believe that Mayor Barrella has done everything in his power to convince the State to give PPB those types of tax options, but that dog just won't hunt. What Ms. Reynolds has posted about taxes is important. The State already imposes taxes on liquor sales and restaurant bills, and all of that money goes directly to the State. If the State wanted to, it could give a portion of that money directly back to each town that it collects it from. Heck, the State could even raise that tax by an additional 1% and give each town that 1%. But, I don't see any evidence of that happening, nor do I see any progress being made by Mayor Barrella to convince the State to give PPB the option of levying local option taxes based on our tourism situation. So, as much as I believe that a referendum question would pass, what good would it do for us other than make us all that much more annoyed and frustrated that we can't get what we want?

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Charles Clark

3:16 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@Jane, I never said it was a fact, I don't know how much it would be? I was just stating an opinion. In my opinion wether you or anyone else agree's, I fell their should be a tourist tax, local option tax of some kind a percentage and I am really all right if you don't agree that is your propagative. I feel the governor should leave it up to each individual town and what their needs are. Being every town has different needs. The state could make it what ever way they want it to be. However I am sure they will not even though they expect all the towns to take care of themselves. As far as the 2% cap it was always a farce in my opinion. So much is not included in the cap and out of reality. Even a little of a percentage would be a big help being there is an impact from tourists any way you want to look at it. I am all right with the opinion that some might agree and others will not. The reason I feel this way is because many other towns, states, countries have them and they all survived.

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sandinmytoes

3:52 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Mr. Clark, you said that "The reason I feel this way is because many other towns, states, countries have them and they all survived." What other NJ towns have them? What other states? I'm really just curious because, other than cities like Newark, I'm not aware of any other NJ town that has local option taxes other than the Motel Tax, which PPB already has.

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Charles Clark

11:13 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@sand, I was under the impression that AC does? Maybe I am wrong. I was down their last year with my sister and I purchased two drinks, not only was it very expensive, they gave me a receipt with an odd amount, I asked the bartender why an odd amount , he said taxes? Both a combination of state and local taxes are the amount. He said it was all built in, whatever that means. I also was under the impression that Cape May allowed local taxes, that came from my neighbor so I don't know for sure, if that is actually true. I have many friends that live in Myrtle Beach, and I was there a few times myself, I will admit it is very confusing. The entire state has a local tax and a higher sales tax, it is on every thing including clothes, food and gas. Myrtle Beach also has an extra tourist tax, I think an extra 1% more than the entire state being they are consider a heavy tourist town and there is an impact. They also have a personal tax on luxury items including cars. There is a different percentages even on bought food and service food from a restaurant. Personally I couldn't figured what was what, I had no choice other than to pay it. Many are on vacation and really don't care, all though it does apply to all the residents too. But their real estate tax is a lot lower so many really don't complain, at least that is the impression I got. I have been to many islands and countries and many have local taxes on different purchases, every beer I had, local tax and tip included.

Joan Vuocolo

9:54 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Pave paradise and put up a parking lot...ooo-la-la,ooo-la,la!!!!

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Charles Clark

10:39 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

What? Who ever mentioned putting up a parking lot?

Joan Vuocolo

10:12 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Unbelievable, that's all that I can say...Get ready folks, it's time for you to rally and break out your "Bennies Go Home" signs. Charles Clark, I'm sure you will be leading the group at the Rt. 35 bridge. Happy Labor Day!

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Cathy Kelly

10:38 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Joan,just curious,but I thought I saw in another post that you were married to a Storino...Please correct me if I am wrong...Again,its all in the spirit of transparancy....

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Charles Clark

2:09 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@Joan, I am sure, there is a "Bennies Go Home Parties" and it is possible they have signs. I am not involved with that. Where did I say anywhere in my Post, that the "Bennies should go home" Just because I feel their should be a local tax paid by the tourists and it should be put on a ballot once and for all, so we can put an end to all the fighting. Happy Labor Day to you too!

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blindbert

8:51 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@cathy Kelly,
What an accusation!
Just to correct you
Joan is not married to the storinos!!!
They are just her neighbors and her husband's employer.

Jane Reynolds

10:21 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Just some FYI: If you need gas buy it now...gas prices are going to go up due to TS Lee in the gulf. The Gulf accounts for 27 per cent of US oil output and 6.5 per cent of natural gas production. As much as 91 per cent of gas and 98 per cent of oil output in the Gulf may be shut in the next five days, according to Kinetic Analysis Corp due to TS Lee.. Oil shuts down - Gas goes up...

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Cathy Kelly

10:29 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Ok,sand,I have never sent out any PERSONAL information of Ms.Reynolds husband,so that is your first lie, I have called him out on Facebook because he blantantly made a statement that was false,I asked him to back up his statement with facts(which by the way he still has not done)The second is even though you hide behind an alias,everyone found out who you were,which in itself is comical,third is again,we,the residents are asking for NOTHING but a safe place for our kids and Quality of life,,,so you can twist and turn it anyway you want,,it all adds up to the same thing...we(unlike many posting here)have no agenda other than wanting to keep our town the great town that it once was....

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sandinmytoes

12:41 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Ms. Kelly, why are you so defensive about something I've written to Ms. Reynolds? Why should she have to post such private information just to be entitled to post an opinion here? As for my "lying," let me refresh your memory. On Friday, July 15, you sent out an e-mail regarding a Letter to the Editor that was printed in the Ocean Star on that date. Although you did not name the person you were criticizing, you mention that the Letter said that tourism is good for the beach. You also wrote that you know that the author lives on Longpoint Lane, which is a "private lane off of Curtis Ave". You went on to write that the "author was employed (and possibly still is by Martell). The Ocean Star requires authors to include their street address when they submit a Letter to the Editor, and that address is printed in the newspaper under the letter. Anyone who read the Letter to the Editor and your e-mail (and your e-mail was specifically designed to provide information about the author of that Letter to the Editor) would know that you were talking about Ms. Reynold's husband, as he was the only person with a Letter to the Editor published on that date with a Longpoint address. You did not name him in your e-mail, but your e-mail was written with enough specificity to make it perfectly clear who you were writing about. If you want an open & honest discussion, stop trying to discredit everyone's opinion who doesn't agree with you, and simply listen. It's our town, too.

Cathy Kelly

10:58 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Jane,we are adults and I think that if you are going to comment in the pretense of the residents than I feel that you should state the facts.....thats all,its quite simple...sometimes,there are people reading the comments that actually believe that your comments are how the residents actually feel,,so therefore I feel you should be upfront with your posts...there are many paying attention,thats all i am trying to say...

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Jane Reynolds

11:10 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

maybe would like to impose an option tax for me to post as well....my comments are just that my comments......"its quite simple"...."just Sayin"

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Jane Reynolds

11:18 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

besides there wasn't anything posted that wasn't factual and at no time did I "comment in the pretense of the residents".............but since you brought it up and you think I should be upfront........can you start all of your posts/comments with the balance of your bank account, or how much you weigh, or maybe something else personal....just so we know

johnny knoxville

11:03 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Charles Clark, or John Wayne, or should I say on app urallcorrupt, or should I say Darlene !!! Go back to Wall township where you were tarred and feathered !! You are soooo obvious.

Ms. Kelly or should I call you the imfamous "puppet watcher", whoops posted under the wrong name and revealed yourself. Ms Kelly, what does your hubby do for a living, can you say a cop!!! Who is your neighbor, police staff !! Who is your relative in PPB, PD detective !! You are all wet with your transparency BS. Enjoy the fireworks. And where is blindbert or aka the prize fighter !! back in his hayday!! now he is just a punk with his bud Dikun or "Mr Common sense"

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Charles Clark

9:24 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@Obnoxious, excuse me knoxville, you are so wrong. I keep on telling you over and over, I do not know what you are talking about. I am none of the alias above that you accuse me of. I am not JW, that is someone else in town. I am not connected to urall/app and I am not friends or do I know a Darlene. I think you are trying to start trouble and you have some mental issues and really need to go see a doctor. It is quite obvious. You have to be from the little narrow minded group who are constantly assuming who everyone is and blaming all the problems of this town on the Mayor and a few residents here. You know, the little group that no one will ever believe any longer, "Johnny" The Hennessy group, Dyer, RC, JB, JA,JM, JJ and few stragglers "Maybe you should jump in the lake instead of driving in one" You remember way back when.

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Cathy Kelly

10:48 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Johnny,you are a liar!!! My husband is NOT a cop,I am Not related to ANY ppb pd...I guess you just like to blatantly make things up. Shows me your character...Well that and hiding behind your little alias....

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Charles Clark

2:19 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@CK, Johnny is not only a liar. He or She is also making a jackass out of him or herself. What character? You know what they say when someone assumes. He or She keeps on making false accusations and accusing me of being four different people/alias. I am a male, and he continues to accuse me of being "Darlene" who apparently is a female who I don't even know, who she is. I have to say he or she has mental issues and should be checked.

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blindbert

9:43 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Drinking and blogging?
tisk tisk!

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John Wayne

9:27 am on Monday, September 5, 2011

@knox, I just returned from vacation, I can see you are at it again. Stop the drinking and accusations. I am none of the above and I am surprised that you really don't know who I am. Obviously you are sooooo wrong! All I am going to say, is watch your tongue because I can see another law suit coming your way.

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Darlene Motto

5:25 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@Johnny Knoxville: You are a bozo who ever you are and are making some asinine statements. Let me inform you. I was sent a FB message from an individual that knows me, stating you are making false and ugly accusations. You seem to be lying about a few things that are going on. Let me set the record straight, hiding behind alias names are not my style, Any one that truly knows me would realize this. I have no problem saying anything to someone's face. Sooo , you are so wrong about being obvious. I have no problem putting in writing and signing my name unlike you. Such as an e-mail or a letter. I am not connected to all or any of the above alias that you are accusing and claiming me to be. Who ever you are? I am suggesting you, Stop spreading false lies and Rumors that you might have heard about, you can be treading dangerous waters unless you would like to be part of a lawsuit that you will personally have to spend your own money on. The only one who is going to be tarred and feathered is going to be you if you continue. You truly do not know what you are talking about.

Joan Vuocolo

11:06 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

@Cathy Kelly. You asked me to correct you if you were wrong...I'm not sure what post you were looking at, but you have been misinformed. I am not married to a Storino. My last name is Vuocolo. My husbands family has resided in PPB since the early 60's. I moved to PPB in 1978 and have lived here year round ever since.

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Cathy Kelly

10:57 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

I was referring to a post on a different article where someone said that to you and I didn't see you respond that it was incorrect,that's why I asked you directly..

johnny knoxville

11:14 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

I hear property in Manalapan, staten Island and wall are real cheap nowadays. Gooo home ! Take the mayor , davey boy, and white head mike with you. All the haters of the boardwalk need to go before you bankrupt the town wth lawsuits. Everyone was talking about the 11 thousand spent fighting the aclu and the 20 thousand for the reduced hotel /motel tax, wait till you see what is coming. !!!!! It will make those 2 things look like a fart in a windstorm. This town is headed for bankruptsy due to litigation under barrella /cobally/ tookers watch. you will see. They will have to ultimitely lay off cops and Dpw. Who is going to pay the 100 of thousands of lawyers fees and in the end the town will lose the suit. good luck suckers

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Charles Clark

9:44 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@johnny, This is our home, if you have a problem maybe you should leave and go back where you came from. Many that live and bought in the beach are not originally from here. You have managed to insult just about everyone in the town. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions in the town they live in, no matter how long they live in it. I think you have been watching to many Jackass Movies and it is starting to act like one. You are in a bubble. Have you seen the real estate in the Beach lately? It is lower than many of the Above towns you have mentioned. I wonder why that is? The officials from way back when have brought this town down, this just did not happen overnight.

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Cathy Kelly

10:51 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Johnny ,Again,I will keep it simple...I Do Not have a problem with the Boardwalk!!!!!It is people like you that keep this town divided....You sound like your 18 years old...Grow up!!!!!

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blindbert

9:16 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

obknoxville,
A town, borough or city can pass reasonable parking ordinances and control the hours of dispensing alcohol. They already have rules,

Why do you feel that everyone that you consider (anti BW ) move out of the town. It does happen to be certain business that made comfortable money prior to the mid 70s that have increased the scope of the business they operate and that has created issues that disturb many long time residenst.

The long time residents should not have to move out of the town they love and decided to make their home. It is the business impact that have been allowed to expand at the blind eye of the majority of governing bodies that have run the town since the late 70s.

Based on your attitude and comments, one must conclude that you benefit in some way in either the BW or the fiefdom they support?

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Darlene Motto

7:15 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@blindbert: You seem to know a lot about the town. I wish I knew who I was speaking to. I do have a question for you. Who allowed the expansion of the boardwalk businesses? Did the boardwalk get authorization to build on to the existing business/building or east of the boardwalk? This is were, I have a problem, so many seem to know and everyone pretends that it did not happen. Could this be the reason why we are having so many problems today? If it wasn't allowed make who ever did tear it all down. If it wasn't allowed who turned a blind eye? Who was the Mayor? The council turned a blind eye? Who was on the council? If we keep on getting one council after another that is willing to look the other way on issues this is why the town is going down. If I add a third floor to my house, would be ok, I don't have to get permits because I want to increase more value to my existing house, would they turn a blind eye for me. I highly doubt it.

Joan Vuocolo

11:21 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Just curious, not having been born or raised in Point Pleasant Beach I was wondering how many years does one have to live in PPB to be considered a local? Many of us have relocated from North Jersey or New York, but are reluctant to admit to this for fear of not being accepted by the "true" locals. We might even be considered a BENNY. How horrific!!! I moved to PPB from Jersey City in 1978. What about you? If you are proud of where you came from, please copy and paste it...

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Charles Clark

2:25 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

The home grown will always consider you a "Benny" no matter how long you live here. It shouldn't matter, if you live here, one month, one year, 20 years, seasonal, we are entitled to our opinion especial if we pay taxes and it concerns all our quality of life. The home grown are the ones who tells everyone else to go home even though this is our home, that just shows you how ignorant individuals are.

johnny knoxville

11:22 pm on Saturday, September 3, 2011

Joan,

I know you and your husband and you are quality people and should not waste your breath with her. She will twist words when put to the test. A typical barrella move. BTW, how is the investigation going with the "big brawl" of bloods and cripts. What a joke !! It was a grand total of 12 people and 3 were women, a wrestling match for about 20 seconds. Whole thing was blown out of proportion by whoo ? PD

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Darlene Motto

6:30 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@Johnny, Really??? You are a real piece of work, or a piece of something. Who do you think you are? I don't think Joan, her husband or I guess CK? As you are referring to " her" needs your approval of who you think is quality people and who is not. You are the one who is twisting words, come out and identify yourself you coward. You are the joke. The one's who is hiding behind a name has so much to say. Just like many of the council meeting that I attended. The one meeting that stands out the most and in particular is when many of the "phony council members" were thanking the former police of Chief of the great job he did and the very next day they were vilifying the former chief and this is what this town seems to do. They have two faces in many situations and the real reason nothing gets done because they can't even be honest with themselves or to each other. When something does happen, let see if you think it is blown out of proportion. Better yet, lets just wait for something to happen. You must have had problems with the police at one time because you seem to have issue and something against police. The PD is blowing things out of proportion? I will remember that.

Mike Corbally

8:26 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Knox, I'm happy I still have hair. Thank You! The money spent on the ACLU was because of a misguided PPB lawyer and the R Majority. The hotel suit brought by JB was withdrawn JB because it was frivolous at best. He may have spent 20K but the taxpayers didn't. You should really grow a set and stop hiding, but than you would have to be honest?

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sandinmytoes

2:56 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Funny thing about that ACLU suit. I heard that, in her Complaint, the woman stated that she had approached the Mayor with her concerns about the Lord's Prayer being said at Council meetings, and that he ignored her. Sometime after that, she went to the ACLU with her problems. Can you confirm that information, Councilman Corbally?

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blindbert

9:25 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

That prayer issue was some pretty darn good St Peters voter pandering!
Ole Krispy Kreme was up there leading on her fellow congregants in the Lords Prayer recital at the moment of silence!

Jane Reynolds

10:31 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011

the boardwalk businesses haul away all their own garbage...so DPW doesn't haul their garbage away...i.e. no cost............they have their own security, as well. we have the amount of police we have in accordance with the study that was done....and the arrests and parking infractions bring in revenue for the town....the town doesn't own the beaches and even if they did, they can only collect enough money to cover the costs, not make a profit.......so don't think owning the beaches would be a plus...and just in case you're wondering this is an agreement signed between PPB and the state of NJ.....the town would also lose the revenue it now receives from the property taxes paid by it's owners......you can only bite the hand that feeds you a certain amount of times before there is a reaction....and PPB can't afford the litigation that will follow. look at the big picture and figure out a plan that will work for all.....our economy is awful and we need to work together and have the all the facts, not just some of them.

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Cathy Kelly

12:16 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

That was a lie that Johnny totally made up....

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Jane Reynolds

4:18 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@ charles...that is why I asked the question about the option tax...it wasn't in the form of an argument....I was only looking for the facts...the fact is that it has been labled a "tourist tax" is misleading and implies they are the only ones that will pay, when if fact we all will levied with the tax and that is my objection...it's just another tax.,,,

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Charles Clark

9:54 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@Jane, I did not take it as an argument. I was just letting you know how I felt because you asked me the question. I think you misunderstood me, I never meant it to be a fact, it was just an opinion an example of what it could be. I also understand it could not be done without permission from a hire level. I though it could possibly be only during what is "considered the tourist season" All I am saying is, if the permission was given it would help and I feel they should being the State expects the towns to be on their own. Both the State and Federal government wants to control what we do with mandates and rules yet they don't want to help us in anyway, is wrong in my views.

Jane Reynolds

4:19 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@ cathy kelly...REALLY????????????????????????????

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Jane Reynolds

4:20 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

this is no longer about the facts or issues........goodbye mudslingers

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sandinmytoes

4:56 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Ms. Reynolds, I understand your frustration. My first post on this article was about the subtitle, how I thought it was misleading. From where I sit, it seems pretty darn clear to me that there's no way Christie is going to approve of PPB having the types of local option taxes that Barrella has been promising since 2007. Since I left that post, I've read lots of comments about how great it would be if we could levy those types of taxes, but absolutely no comments about how our town is closer to getting those taxes than it was in 2007. It's been 4 years, and absolutely no progress. PPB needs more money to ease tax burdens, and we need it now, not in 10, 20, 30 years. Instead, this pursuit of these types of taxes continues to divide the town, making it less likely that the town will get cooperation from the businesses. Just foolish. You won't see certain individuals discussing the facts or the issues here because the facts and the issues aren't on their side. They have candidates who they are supporting in this November election, and between lack of information and experience and the desire to get certain individuals elected & to punish others, these posters must resort to mudslinging. They simply cannot objectively state facts and issues or have a reasonable discussion about the facts and issues out of fear that they would be proven wrong in their positions.

sandinmytoes

4:40 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Ms. Kelly, I am confused by one of your statements above. You wrote: "...I Do Not have a problem with the Boardwalk!!!!!" Maybe many of us have understood you, then? You do not feel that the Boardwalk is poorly affecting your quality of life and the quality of life of the residents in PPB?

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Cathy Kelly

9:42 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

I stated once before..My problem is not with the Boardwalk. My problem is not the tourists(it is the type of tourists that we are attracking) 10 years ago,this truly was a family town. My kids grew up going to the Boardwalk. It seems that the nightclubs are attracking more and more,shall I say,less than desirable people and the families are going away. The Police have stated over and over that this summer has been the worst that it has been in the last 17 years. If something is not done to turn the town back to a family town,our property values fall and the residents lose. It is quite simple. I believe that the town,residents and businesses can work together if everyone compromises. By people stating that anyone that has sincere quality of life issues is anti-boardwalk is simply ignorant. EVERYONE needs to work together or again,the only ones that lose are the residents(taxpayers)I don't know if I can explain it any better....

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sandinmytoes

10:02 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Thank you for that explanation, Ms. Kelly. I do understand the problem that you're pointing at. I hope you won't mind my asking you another question. Do you think that the Boardwalk businesses are doing something different than they used to do, to make it more likely that they will attract the less desirable people? (I'm not arguing with you on that point. I do understand what you mean by "less desirable" and I think that's a good word choice which is why I'm using it, too). If so, what are they doing to attract those people that is different from what they used to do?

Mike Corbally

6:58 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

No Sand, I was not privy to that conversation. I can tell you the issue was brought up during my last term. I can also tell you the ACLU got involved before my current term started.

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Joan Vuocolo

6:59 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

@Cathy, I'm not sure what post or article you are referring to. I went back to the different posts and articles and was unable to find anything that resembled your question. I do not have a problem answering any questions, in fact I find it flattering that some of you want to know who I am and to whom I am married. This shows me that some of you are actually reading my posts and listening to what I have to say. I call that progress...I'm beginning to think that we may be on the right track!!! Perhaps, if we can put our differences aside and work together, we may be able to put the "Pleasant" back in the BEACH!!!! Wouldn't that be an accomplishment!!!!

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Cathy Kelly

8:37 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Joan,I want to apologize because when I looked back at the posts,I realized that it said that the Storinos were your neighbors and employer. Either way,I meant no disrespect by the question,I asked you so I would know the truth. Again,I will state I have absolutely no problem with the Storinos..I have said in numerous posts before that I think they are brilliant businessmen/woman. That does not mean that I don't have a problem with the residents having to suffer in order for their business to thrive. I believe that they should realize that the residents are putting up with alot more than ever so "their business can thrive". I have a problem with articles like"PPB is biting the hand that feeds them" because quite frankly,I nor my family,nor my neighbors are being "fed"by them....I still do not believe in any way shape or form that because people break the law we"taxpayers" are benefiting because we are making money off of the fines...

blindbert

8:56 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Does that mean that sirsif was correct when he proposed @ a council meeting removing the pleasant from town name?
Or does it mean that our town is not pleasant due to the slipping quality of life?

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Joan Vuocolo

7:50 am on Monday, September 5, 2011

@blindbert - I think it means that our town is not "pleasant" due to the comments and responses found here on Patch.

Cathy Kelly

10:14 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Sand,personally I feel that allowing "the Jersey Shore" to film here was a bad decision and nothing positive could come out of that. That in itself is just one thing. This town has been turning for the last few years. I think Paying for extra Police to absolutely enforce a "no tolerance" rule should have happened a few years back. I think advertising Seaside and Point in the same ads is not helping either. Seaside has been out of control for awhile. The Beach was not thought of as a "partying town"as Seaside has been. Now they seem to be connected more than they have in the past...These are just a few on "my opinions" thats all........

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sandinmytoes

1:08 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Ms. Kelly, thank you again for answering my question. I agree with you on your comments. I did not like that "Jersey Shore" appearance here on 4th of July weekend. I'm not an attorney, so I don't know whether the Boardwalk business would've been able to tell them "No" when they decided to visit. If they did have that right, then I would've preferred that they told them "No." But, I've also been in management and know that, sometimes, the people left minding the store don't know what they can do in terms of managing a potential customer. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I'm willing to forgive one mistake, but I would really like to hear that it won't happen again (assuming, as I said, that they have the right to tell people "No"). To be honest, I was equally annoyed by the appearance of one of the Jersey Housewives at one of our downtown businesses. I know that we're all anxious to see our downtown businesses thrive but, in my opinion, those Jersey Housewives are just as bad for our society as the Jersey Shore kids, although they are intended to appeal to different age brackets. I was surprised that no one commented about that Jersey Housewife appearance here, so perhaps I'm alone in my opinion about that. Thank you again for your response.

blindbert

10:32 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

sanditoes,
if you can ot see the changes the boardwalk has made you have either not lived here long or are blind to the fact of the changes,

Please refer the Post card Series Book Point Pleasant by Jerry Woolley.page 111.
look how small martells is. The tiki bar area is not in that photo. How about all the area in Jenkinsons Pavilion that were rockers and remeber the wide walkway to the rockers. You were not even allowed to take food there. The Jenkinsons were Methodist and their business was very non alcohol based.

The entire west side of the boardwalk has a second floor that was not there. There has been greatly increased utilization of those properties. Those increases of land use have never increased the parking that in other town the land use boards would require.
Most all of the BW now operates much later than it used to. How is that for a beginning on the changes of the ways they operate

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sandinmytoes

1:15 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Blindbert, I had addressed my questions to Ms. Kelly because I believe that she's lived in PPB for approximately 10 years, suggesting to me that the changes she has noticed are things that we may have a better chance of fixing. I didn't want to go back in history too far. I mean, obviously, the advent of the automobile, the opening of the Garden State Parkway, and the invention of refrigeration have changed PPB's tourism industry, too, but I'm not willing to fault the boardwalk businesses for those changes. You raise some issues with land use. I don't know much about the law on that issue, other than to say that second floors and third floors seem to regularly come up in the political world. Do you remember that nasty political flier that attacked Republican candidate George Loder for the upper floor of his home? That flier seems to have been re-run several times. I had the opportunity to ask Mr. Loder about that issue on one of these articles, and he invited me to review his Certificate of Occupancy, suggesting that his house was perfectly legal. So, I'm not sure what to think about your raising these issues about the boardwalk businesses. I don't know how any of the boardwalk businesses would increase parking near their properties as it seems that all of that property is already being used. Plus, don't you think that the parking limitiations by the boardwalk drive tourists into municipal parking lots, raising money for the town?

1stcav

10:40 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011

Sounds like PPB=Payton Place loosers !

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blindbert

9:53 am on Monday, September 5, 2011

P Political
P Payoffs
B Bennys

Joan Vuocolo

7:33 am on Monday, September 5, 2011

@blindbert - Welcome back! Haven't seen you around lately, thought perhaps you and the family were on vacation. So happy that we have all survived Irene. However, we do have more rain in the forecast these next few days.It figures right, I mean Labor Day weekend and all. Oh well, we have no control over the weather. I hope we don't have any flooding, it could definitely have an impact on my lane and also the boardwalk. Stay dry! Glad you're back!

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Sean Conneamhe

7:59 am on Monday, September 5, 2011

Sounds like a forensic investigation of the history and growth of the boardwalk empires might be enlightening.
Nelson Johnson, who wrote ""The Boardwalk Empire" about the political and business corruption in Atlantic City, was a land use board attorney for many years.
Decades of corrupt public-private partnership resulted in the transformation of "America's Playground" to "Camden-by-the-Sea".

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John Wayne

9:19 am on Monday, September 5, 2011

Just returned from Vacation and I can see the same are at it again. It seems to be on the same subject. It is like a soap opera. You can miss a few days, no problem!

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Joan Vuocolo

8:34 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Welcome back, John Wayne. I hope you had a wonderful vacation! Now, it's back to reality in PPB!

Darlene Motto

6:01 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

FYI, I have been out of the loop. I have not received e-mails, sent out e-mail, responded to e-mails, or comment on any articles in a while. This is the first one to set Johnny "Rocket" knoxville straight. I have to say after reading some of these comments I am glad I am out of the loop. I am done with this town. I realized this town is a loss cause. It is never going to change because many do not want it to, even when they pretend they do. We have to many talking out of two sides of their mouth, stabbing each other in the back, pretending to be friends and even some friends attacking each other or blaming everyone else but themselves. I am at the point, I don't really care what happens. I am to busy with my own life and the only thing that matters to me is my own family. If the majority of the officials continues to want the town to go down the tubes and claim nothing has changed so be it, there is nothing I can say or do that is going to change it. Someone that says something or sheds light on something that is happening that is flat out wrong all of a sudden they are a trouble maker. Really? Then most on these posts would rather go along with the status quo and over look all the problems, they would rather sweep it all under the carpet. All I have to say, that will catch up with anyone, place, town or business. You have ever side being disingenuous, that is how I am seeing it. Like one of the comments said, it is a joke!

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Joan Vuocolo

8:06 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@blindbert - you mentioned that the Storino's are my neighbors and my husbands employer. However, you failed to mention that I am also seasonally employed by the Storino's and Jenkinson's...I'm surprised you didn't know this.

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Joan Vuocolo

8:18 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@blindbert - by the way, I love my job! I truly enjoy interacting with the tourists, especially the children. Seeing their smiling faces everyday, the excitement of coming to the boardwalk, enjoying the beach, aquarium, funhouse and going on the rides... something so many of us take for granted. It is priceless! Not everyone is a VIP, you know what I mean!

Joan Vuocolo

8:37 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@John Wayne...if this makes it any easier, try to remember what Dorothy said in the Wizard of Oz..."There's no place like home, there's no place like home! Then click your heels 3 times...who knows, this may all be a dream!!!!

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Joan Vuocolo

10:41 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@cathy kelly, it is not because of neccessity that my husband and I work for the Storino's. It has nothing to do with as you say, the hand that feeds them. We choose to work there because they run a first class business! This town has been divided long before you moved here. I have resided in PPB since 1978 and there were problems then. Just remember, you are going to hear many different sides and many different stories, you need to decide which one you choose to believe. What we are experiencing today has been handed down from our towns forefathers. Remember one thing, we live in a resort town...the beach and boardwalk have been here for a long time and I highly doubt that they are going anywhere! The town had an opportunity,twice... to purchase ocean front property...which would allow residents access to the beach...they chose not to do so. However, they did buy property at the Inlet and the parkingt lot at Risden's Beach. I would like to know how many $$$$ the town is generating from these 2 properties!!!! Go Beach!!!!!

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Cathy Kelly

11:38 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Joan,first of all,I have never questioned why you work for the Boardwalk,so please don't turn this into something its not.I never said how they run their business,whether it be first class or not,The town has been alot of things since I moved here and quite frankly that doesn't concern me,what concerns me are the changes that happened in the last 10 years since I bought my house. I have been coming to PPB long before I purchased my house so I know what it was like then and what is happening now. I do not listen to hearsay so please do not insult me as if I don't have a mind of my own.If you are going to actually sit here and tell me that there is no difference now than from years ago than honestly I don't even know how to respond to you without actually blatanly insulting you. I do have one question for you,Do you work at Antrim? I think I know who you are but not sure...Just like to know who I am talking to..

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Cathy Kelly

11:56 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Joan,By the way, My daughter was offered a job to work for Jenks in the beginning of August (while she was grateful for the opportunity) she was already committed and could not do it....One thing has nothing to do with the other..It is not personal,It is about,let me say again,quite simply"QUALITY OF LIFE"

Joan Vuocolo

10:59 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

@Cathy Kelly...Wouldn't it be nice if our Mayor and Council would promote tourism for PPB in a positive way! Imagine a Tourism Center on Channel Drive, handing out pamphlets and free coffee to tourists or even putting them on the windshield of their cars (the way they do in Disney), informing them of all of the local attractions that PPB has to offer! Don't forget restrooms, and garbage cans that are strategically placed throughout the town. Imagine if the train station was open and people could utilize their restrooms. There would be no need for tourists to urinate and leave their trash on residents lawns!!!!! Imagine the possibilities, what if there was a coupon booklet that the Chamber of Commerce put out for the stores downtown... Endless opportunities!!!!

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Cathy Kelly

11:46 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Are you actually saying that we don't have "enough"tourists coming here. that the mayor and council should promote more people coming here? I am a little confused by this post. Are you blaming our mayor,council,chamber for not promoting the right kind of tourists??Please explain your post..Is the town to blame???

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Cathy Kelly

11:48 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011

Again,Is NJ Transit to blame for people urinating on the residents Lawns???

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George Loder

2:26 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

The Mayor and Council support the tourism industry each year when the formalize the towns budget. Every taxpayer in PPB provides for the support of tourism through their tax dollars. We already give the tourists a safe and clean place to visit. The large amounts of money we spend on public works, police protection, and code enforcement is in support of tourism.There are many of us in town who see tourism not as an enemy to our residents ............but a financial resourse we need to tap. Disney is a fantasy land.............while the taxpayers of PPB have to deal with the reality of continue increase in operational expenses and decline in quality of life to support an industry we get little in return. George Loder

Joan Vuocolo

6:52 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

@Cathy...PPB has changed over the years. That is a fact! As I stated in my previous post, I think some changes could be made to make PPB more tourism friendly. As far as insulting me, I always consider the source!

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Cathy Kelly

8:54 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Joan,you hurt me with your comments...You still have not answered my question. Do you work at Antrim??

blindbert

7:53 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

@JoanV
The aquarium and other family entertainment should be the main attraction that keeps families coming to PPB. That is the market the BW should be after. The bar crowd runs counter to that image.

The add on the Back of the NJDOT buses "Jenkinson's Has It All" and lists its nightclub prominently. Many of the issues and additional muncipal service needs are the fallout of that patronage. I am glad that I do not live "In the Land in Between" the lakes.

It is the family atmosphere that should marketed. The large bar areas that have increased ten fold since the late seventies. Those areas should try something for the Parents of Families.The party/pick up scene is most likely chasing the families away!

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blindbert

6:26 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

correction " The land of in between" the lakes.

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Joan Vuocolo

9:03 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

@blindbert-the family atmosphere is marketed at Jenkinson's. When was the last time you visited Jenkinson's? They have so much to offer families...fireworks, movies on the beach, kiddie beach shows, the music festival... just to name a few. You should visit their website - www.jenkinsons.com

Vince Barrella

9:12 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

No one ever said that securing the right to levy local impact fees would be easy. The claim that we are no closer today than we were 4 years ago is disingenuous. One of the biggest problems we face is that most in Trenton are still not aware that PPB does not own its beaches. One of the things that has been accomplished is educating many to this fact. Along the way, PPB has found some allies.

In my meetings with the State Treasurer and most recently with the Director of the Division of Local Government Services I have focused on private parking lots, seasonal rentals and the sale of alcoholic beverages. The first two will have little or no impact on Beach residents as few park in private lots or rent for the summer season. The third will add a minimal cost to a drink, but will have a substantial impact on our ability to deliver services and in reducing our property tax burden.

I laugh when I read about the alienation of State politicians. Who are these allegedly alienated politicians? The Treasurer asked me to meet with him!

I also laugh about the alienation of our business interests because of efforts to secure local impact fees. As far back as June 2008, our large businesses were on the record as being opposed to providing relief to our residents and taxpayers, claiming I was trying to pick taxpayers' pockets.

Will we get the ability to levy local impact fees? One thing is for sure, if we stop trying we never will. So I intend to continue to try!

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Part Timer

4:42 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Let'S Compromise...
First, lets ask the BW Club owners to close earlier, if (when) they refuse then we go to our council members to ask them to mandate a early closing. If they vote to side with the BW owners then we vote them out.
From here on in (decades) there should be no expansion (outdoor tables,bar, music,etc) for any business owner in town (east or west of tracks) because they say they can no longer survive if they don't. If they cant survive with the amount of tourist that come though this town then its there problem, dont make it ours.

This town is very close to no return, there is way to much alcohol in this town.

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Martin

6:12 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

All-hours alcohol + "Jersey Shore" (NY) types + gang members and other macho types who wanna go where the TV cameras were = trouble on the Boardwalk.

Like at Seaside, law-abiding families are starting to avoid this.

(I don't live here, not related to anyone here, don't work here, so don't look for ulterior motives.)

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Joan Vuocolo

7:55 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

@cathy- You say you want to know who you are talking to. I thought since I used my real name and not an alias it was obvious. You keep asking me where I work. Let me ask you a question, "why does this matter to you, and is it really relevant? Does it pertain to anything that we have been discussing so far? I don't think so! I hope that I have answered your question.

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Cathy Kelly

8:08 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Joan, I thought I knew who you were because I have a picture in my head of one of the women that work at Antrim. My kids have been going there for the last 9 years and I thought it was you. It is not really a big deal at all. I just thought I knew you,thats all!!!! No need for the paranoia.....

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Joan Vuocolo

8:44 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

@cathy-I don't think that I am paranoid. Do you think I should be?

Cathy Kelly

8:52 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

@Joan, probably not as much as I should be.... I have never attacked the Boardwalk businesses,yet you seem to be excessively defensive whenever anyone states anything about Quality of Life. I really don't get it. Do you think we should all just sit down,shut up and deal with everything that is happening in town? Do you think that it is just the "way it is"and the taxpayers should just keep their mouths shut??

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Charles Clark

9:39 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Obviously Joan does along with a few other's who is benefiting in some way. So I would say the answer is yes. They expect the taxpayers to shut their mouth and we all should be thankful to the big businesses here, because we are making so much money according to them. Think about it, you would be supporting the businesses too If you were getting paid, your husband was getting paid, etc..... that is a lot of cash.

Charles Clark

9:43 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

correction..... We are making so much money off of them. According to the Big Businesses and some of their supporters who work their. I would too, if I worked there and made all that cash.

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Joan Vuocolo

10:04 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

@cathy-I have to say that I disagree with you. I don't believe that I am excessively defensive whenever anyone states anything about their quality of life. Although we may all share different views, we are certainly entitled to express our opinions and concerns. If we don't speak up, then certainly no one will listen.

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BN

10:33 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

I don't know how to break it to you people, but the hurricane passed over a week ago. Get on with your lives. OK?

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Joan Vuocolo

10:44 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

@charles clark-it's obvious that you didn't read my post to cathy or perhaps you chose to overlook it. I did state that although we may all share different views, we are certainly entitled to express our opinions and concerns. If we don't speak up, then certainly no one will listen. I never once said that the taxpayers should shut their mouth. However,I was going to suggest that if you were looking for employment I believe that Jenkinson's holds their job fair the first weekend in March. But since you are making so much money from the big businesses here in town, I don't think you are looking for a job.

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A Resident

10:52 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Having spent many Friday and Saturday nights on the boardwalk this summer...I have to wonder how many people posting above have actually spent any time there at night. What I saw....families walking together, kids carrying their prizes and eating sweets, people standing in line at the shops/games/food establishments. And this is having been there from 7pm to 1am at times.

It's not scary. The majority of what I saw was families enjoying themselves.

No, I don't work for anyone up there. Ya, I know the owners of some of these places....how? Because I have lived here all my life and you meet these people around town....where they too live.

And yes, in my early years I can remember messes in the front yard, parking issues, and noise from the boardwalk....so please, don't think this started 10 years ago. I am far older than that.

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Cathy Kelly

11:24 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Are you saying that the residents are not experiencing a decline in quality of life because you enjoy spending time on the Boardwalk and it's not scary??

Joan Vuocolo

10:59 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

@charles clark - I try to support many of my local businesses... Don't you???

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blindbert

8:17 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

@Joan,
I did state that Jenkinsons does have a lot of family entertainment.

It is the nightclub crowd that causes a lot of the issues that people patch about.

The town needs to be more family friendly to keep families renting here.

Let Seaside and Asbury handle the twenty something meat market.

If Jenkinsons is truly a first class operation, the area that is the nightclub should be geared towards the parents of the families.

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pointman

4:20 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

I have a question... People complain the Boardwalk businesses should pay for extra police and DPW services. The Boardwalk picks up their own garbage saving taxpayers thousands so no cost to the town. Didnt Jenkinson offer $40.000 or so to help with the cost of extra police and the Mayor and Council declined the offer. I know some say it was to overlook special event fees but did the town ever send Jenkinson a summons for violating the special event ordinace fee,No, Why. Are they in violation or not? I guess not if no summons was issued. So what happens a few weeks later,the Mayor and council take $90.000 of taxpayers dollars for more police on the Boardwalk. Does that make sense to anyone? Free $ 40.000 "" NO THANKS" from the people who the Mayor and Council say should pay more but spend $90.000 taxpayer money. Great move by the Mayor and a few council members.

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Darlene Motto

8:29 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@pointman: What are you trying to say? You think a town should be picking up businesses garbage? You are making it like the town and residents should be Thankful that they are paying for their own garbage. Did I get that right? Why? We should not be picking up and paying for any businesses garbage. I have said this before in e-mails and I have asked this question before to the council members to this town and I never received a response from any on them. Name me just one town that pays for businesses garbage. Don't give me the excuse that they pay for schools and don't use them, unfortunately that is what the state does and how they fund school of off real estate taxes, everyone that owns real estate wether a business or not pays towards school funding. Guess what, all the businesses that pay for their garbage also pays for their schools. Now I know the reason Why? Point Beach is constantly getting sued. The million dollar question is, Should have the town excepted the $40,000 that was offered or not? I don't know, It was going around town that some of the residents felt it was a bribe and I am not talking about council members or the Mayor, it was actually residents that were at that meeting, I can't say myself because I did not go to that particular meeting, I was under the impression their was also a letter in the opinion section stating they felt it was a bribe, I could be wrong, I lose track of all the letters about our town in the paper.

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Darlene Motto

8:34 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@ pointman,errors see below, should be "off of real estate" excuse all errors, I think you get my point.

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sandinmytoes

8:57 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Darlene, I do think that what Pointman was trying to say is that the Boardwalk, unlike many of the other businesses in town, does pick up their own garbage. You may be right. Perhaps the town should make all businesses pick up their own garbage, which would be more fair than just making the Boardwalk businesses do it. But, I also remember that it wasn't that long ago that many of us were worried about Arnold Avenue because many of those store fronts were vacant. Do you remember that? So, I can understand why the Council would've been reluctant to make all businesses pick up their own garbage when the town was desperate to have businesses move into Downtown. Now, fortunately, Downtown seems to be thriving again. There are still a few vacant store fronts, but no where near what it was about a year or so ago. It's a delicate balance in terms of the types of financial burdens a municipal government should impose on a new business. It may be that garbage pick-up was an incentive for those businesses to move here when, as you said, so many other towns require businesses to pay for their own garbage pick up. I would have no problem with all businesses paying for their own garbage pick up once we were sure that those businesses had financial stablity in town. Until then, the Boardwalk is doing something that other local businesses are not doing...they are paying for their own garbage, and they do deserve some recognition for that, in my opinion.

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pointman

9:12 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Ms Motto you are correct the town should not pick up commercial garbage but up until resently the town was picking up commercial and jenks did their own. . What I 'm saying is those garbage cans that are on the boardwalk are "town" garbage cans and it was costing the taxpayer plenty in OT to pick them up on weekends . Jenkinson picked up the tab on this and empties them saving the town lots of money in OT and tipping cost.I know you will say that 99% of the trash is from their business but they didnt have to do it . Remember the town is respondsible for the majority of the Boardwalk its their property and have the respondsibity to keep it clean,and safe Jenkinson cleans the whole area saving PPB lot of money. How can you not accept a FREE $ 40.000 to help with the quality of life complaints. You all scream Quality of Life,well they offered $ 40,000 to add police early in the season and the town turned them down.This was done in public ,it was the Mayor and Corbally started the "bride" nonsense. So no 40.000 then spent $ 90.000 in taxpayer money for quality of life patrols. Pure stupitity

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Darlene Motto

11:25 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Pointman, I know what he was trying to say and I disagree with him. The town should have never agreed to pick up any business/commercial garbage. I don't know when and who agreed to pay for any of it, who ever allowed it from the beginning and for what ever how many years was wrong. The reason any town would allow or put up with business in their town would be to save the tax paying residents money on their taxes, not the opposite, once it starts defeating the purpose and costing us more money than it is not worth it any longer. The town no longer has any money to pick up businesses garbage no matter who they are. You are right, it is not fair that the Boardwalk should only have to pay for garbage and other businesses do not. That practice should stop all the way around. It seems the schools and children get attack right away because the businesses pays for the school funding and they do not use them. Sorry but that is not the schools or children's fault that is a government problem higher up and all businesses in NJ is paying for schools, if they have a problem, have them write to our governor and see what he will do for them, don't play the political games and blame the schools as have done in the past. Stores were empty everywhere, not just Arnold Avenue, it was the nature of the beast and the economy all the more with budget cuts and job losses you can't expect the residents to pay for any business garbage. We are not in business with them.

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Darlene Motto

11:52 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@pointman: The way I support the businesses of this town is by choice, I do go to many businesses with in my own town because I would rather support my own town and its economy than others but I don't want to pay for their garbage too, or anything else for that matter. I am sorry, it makes no sense, If no other town pays for businesses garbage neither should we. That is the cost of doing business in any town they would choose to be in. Point Beach is no different. The town is desperate to have business in the town so much that they are willing to pay for their garbage? Really? Even if is costing us money that we do not have. Why have the businesses then, isn't this defeating the purpose of having them in our town to begin with, to have tax breaks, not to cost us money. It makes not sense because no towns are willing to pay for businesses garbage, only ours, I can see you competing for business and willing to pay for their garbage if other towns were doing the same thing, but they are not because it would be absurd and I think many residents of other towns would not tolerate this practice. Businesses have to realize this, it is there businesses and their customers therefore they should be paying for their own garbage. Most business have their own private dumpsters and pay for their own garbage to be removed. It is not even a question. If a business can't survive, the town or residents should not be blamed and it should not be our responsibility to pay for them in any way.

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Darlene Motto

12:10 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

@Pointman, I don't know who you are, but you seem to have some knowledge of the town, so I am asking you, Are we still picking up commercial garbage or not? You stating they were picking up garbage until recently? In the past tense, so are we or are we not? The reason I have a problem with this is because I don't know not one town that would be willing to pay for their businesses garbage. How much has it been costing us to pick up garbage or still costing us. I don't like the fact when you ask council members to answer these questions and they don't answer any of the residents that live here, when questions are not answer it is a form of guilt, other wise they would be answered, this has been going on too long. I believe you, when you are telling me that they are town garbage cans on the boardwalk, but I don't understand why? If it is their customers and their business, why aren't they using their own garbage cans? This is were I am losing it, why are we paying OT or tipping cost on their customers garbage, because they are our cans? Let them get their own cans. If your are claiming it is our boardwalk and we are responsible for it, even if we don't have the money to keep it up, then I guess we will have to close the boardwalk down, believe it or not I really would not want this to happen even thought I am sure some will claim that is my attentions, I know all about spins, twisting and politics to well. I actually enjoy the boardwalk and I would be sad to see it go.

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Darlene Motto

12:39 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

@Pointman, I would be sad to see it go because it has been a part of Point Beach for close to 100 years old, at least that is what I thought. But if it is coming down to the town being responsible we can no longer afford the cost any longer. We can't afford the garbage, the clean up, the maintenance of damage or replacement boards, the police in the boardwalk area, wether it is coming from the actual boardwalk, clubs, rentals. We just don't have what it takes any longer, maybe years ago when it was more affordable, not now or any longer. If you are saying it is the town's responsibility to keep it clean and safe even though the boardwalk and the other businesses are the ones who are directly benefiting from the tourists than maybe it is time for Point Beach to say we just can't do it, we can't afford to keep it clean or safe. How is Point Beach making money off the tourist? By parking tickets, DUI, DWI, disorderly conduct, drugs, fights etc.... It is all from fines that equates to and becomes quality of life issues. I don't know if the town wants to continue to want the negative reputation that comes with it all , and the real and only way we collect money from. It is a double edge sword. We want tourist to come to our town, to shop in our stores, go to our restaurants, boardwalk and events for what to wind up giving them tickets, fines, etc.... just to be able to pay for it all. No wonder I see so many letters in the paper upset with PB, the reason they will not come back

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Darlene Motto

6:24 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Sorry. for the few errors, some comments below is directed to sandinmytoes, not pointman, others were directed to pointman.

blindbert

4:34 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

a bill was sent the the Bw for the extra services. Yet to be paid?

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Sean Hennessy

5:44 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Pointman,

You bring up several interesting points. The boardwalk business owners do pay for their own private garbage collection service. Jenkinson's officials met with the chief of police, administrator Riehl, and Councilman Corbally a few months ago and the purpose of the meeting was for the chief to give Jenkinson's a dollar amount on what it costs the town in police coverage for certain events and certain nights. At that meeting is when Jenkinson's offered to donate $40,000 to the town. Jenkinson's officials said they would like the money they were donating to specifically go to the police department to bring back the snap program in districts 3 and 4. They also offered to have their own employees clean the neighborhood on a daily basis. Unfortunely, a small group of people which included the mayor and one councilman (Corbally) objected to the donation and called it a bribe. The so called bribe was supposed to be the town getting $40,000 dollars and ignoring the special event fees. But I wonder, if the chief of police was at the meeting I referred to earlier, wouldn't he have said that what Jenkinson's officials had offered was in fact a bribe ? I spoke with the chief about the meeting and he mentioned nothing about a bribe and also said that Jenkinson's offer was a "good start" in heading in a positive direction. So where was the bribe ? A bribe is supposed to be something that involves personal gain, who gained from this other than the taxpayers and PD ?

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Darlene Motto

9:21 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Sean, It appears like Pointman and yourself is setting each other up for the perfect planed questions and answers to each other. I have said this before in many e-mails to both you and other council members and I get ignored as a resident/voter of this town. We all realize by now that the boardwalk pays for their own private garbage from their customers and they should be. I don't know when they starting paying because you can't seem to get any straight answers. You would think the council members should know some of these answers if they are representing the town, if not they should be finding out the answers of the questions and have the decency to get back to the residents and be honest. I think most understand what a bribe is. A bribe can be in all forms of persuasions or different ways. It is not always a personal gain. Eventually it all comes out in the wash and sometimes it comes out down the road or after the fact. You are well aware of and involved in playing politics "silly season" instead of making sense. The approval of a reduction in motel/hotel tax that Lurie helped get implemented in the first place to begin with, had to be the most RIDICULOUS political playing by yourself and other council members in the history of Point Beach, that made absolutely no sense along with some other decisions that made no sense. Talk about scams?

Sean Hennessy

5:57 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Sorry, ran out of room. So then came the $90,000 appropriation for operation rice crispies which is the same thing as the snap program that Jenkinson's was willing to pay for with their donation. Who pays for the $90,000 ? The taxpayers do. It does seem kind of rediculous that some members of the governing body would rather have the taxpayers pay for "operation rice crispies" than have Jenkinson's pay for it. But that is why Councilman Lurie called this the silly season, people are playing politics instead of making sense. Now I hear we are sending Jenkinson's billing statements for police coverage. Who authorized that scam ? I can tell you not the entire governing body, and that makes complete sense. Turn down $40,000 but then send them a bill for what the $40,000 would have paid for 10 times over. Brilliant. I'm sure litigation from the recipients of those bills will follow.

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Cathy Kelly

6:13 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Sean,while I agree that the $40,000 would have been a good start,wasnt the figure that the Chief came up with for the cost of extra Police solely due to specific events that are being held at the Boardwalk $120,000. If I cost you $120,000 and offered you a donation(which means it could be a "one time only")of $40,000. would that be perfectly fine with you? Would you walk away whistlling dixie? Again,I truly believe that ALL agendas have to be put aside and ALL must work together but some(including yourself)are only seeing what you want to see. If people do not work together,the residents get screwed!!!!!

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Darlene Motto

9:45 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Sean, You are currently a council member representing the town. I would like to ask you a few questions, but I doubt you will answer them. As a council member can you honestly say or think the town should pick up and pay for businesses garbage? I mean all businesses. You don't think that is part of being in business and all businesses should pay for their customers garbage? Like I stated above to pointmen, don't give me the excuse that the businesses pay for schools that they don't use, guess what all businesses in other towns pay for their garbage and school funding. That is the way NJ funds it, off of real estate taxes. It is not the fault of the residents, that is a government problem at a higher level. If the businesses don't like it, they should be complaining at the state level, but they can't have it both ways. As council member, Do you really think businesses or residents should be in violation of ordinances. They are in place for a reason, they should be clear, understandable and followed at all times by everyone. Their should not be any special treatment. It is up to the council members to figure this out and come up with an honest answers and solutions. No excuses, if the rules, ordinances hasn't been followed than who ever violated them should be charged for violation. Why go through the trouble placing rules and ordinances if they are not going to be followed. It is not about the $40,000? It is about the obvious that the rules wasn't applying to all.

Joan Vuocolo

8:09 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Politics at its best...Once again, knowing what buttons to push on the voters and coming out smelling like a rose...Pure brilliance!!!

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Cathy Kelly

8:12 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Joan,Im confused. Is this post to me?

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pointman

8:30 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Thank you Sean for the information that occured at that meeting. There is no way our Chief would have sat there if it was a bribe .Still maybe it didnt cover all the costs but it would have cut the taxpayers bill by a 1/3 or 1/2 so why wouldnt you accept it . Maybe if you accepted it when it was offered there wouldnt have been a need for the $90.000 weeks later because more officers would have been on patrol earlier in the season to stop some of the rowdys and send a message.Jenkinsons were not selling anything they were giving it away for "FREE" to help. What a stupid move not accepting . But still no one answered the question,if the town felt Jenkinson was in violation of the special event application ordinance then why wasnt a summons issue??????? .By not doing that it tells me there was NO violations. So now you dont have the $40.000 and no fine money . I guess it was just a continuation of certain members on the governing body to demonize the boardwalk businesses as unwilling to assist the town when they actually tried but were denied.

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Jane Reynolds

9:11 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

exercising my first amnedment rights...doesn't the total amount of $120,000 include the specials training for next year too? thought that is what was said at the council meeting...

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Darlene Motto

9:48 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

You seem to be assuming on issues.

Sean Hennessy

8:51 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Cathy,
I will not engage in a personal dipute with you but your comment about me in your last post is false. I was responding to pointman because he asked a question and brought up valid points. I gave him the facts and that is it.

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Cathy Kelly

8:58 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Ok Sean,But the FACT is the figure that it is costing the taxpayers is $120,000. not $40,000...(and that was before this summer) based on previous summers(which we all know it was alot worse this year so please when you state Facts,be truthful....

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sandinmytoes

10:33 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Councilman Hennessy, I know that you've been criticized for cutting the Specials budget in 2010. Can you tell me how much money was allotted to the Specials this year through the budget (not including the special appropriations)? Was that amount more or less than last year? Did this year's municipal budget award to Chief O'Hara the exact amount that the Chief requested for Specials?

Cathy Kelly

9:28 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

@Jane, I attended a meeting with the Boardwalk and residents(which I want to say that the owners of Jenkinsons)reached out to the residents to listen to concerns. It was back in April before the summer started,at that time,Chief Ohara was asked to come up with the cost of extra Police needed for the Extra Boardwalk activities. At that time the figure was $120,000. They listened to the concerns of the residents and we were assured that they were willing to work with the council to make some changes. after that a donation of $40,000 was offered. I don't know the terms,I just know that this summer is by far the worst summer in the last ten years that I have lived here. So to answer your question,I would believe that that figure has nothing to do with training for next year. You can call the Police.Dept. to find out for sure....

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Jane Reynolds

7:10 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

after reading the minutes form the July 19th council meeting the money bonded for $95K did not include the specials for 2012...and that was my question. since we bonded that money to cover the costs for extra police if the $40K was accepted and agreement reached the glass would have been almost half full...as opposed to completely empty. When I read the minutes from the April 19, 2011 council minutes as painful as they were to read the costs were projected form $20K - $150K. "projections went from @$20,000-$150,000" Can you tell me where the figure of $120K is from? With revenue from a rough 2011 there should be $$ for the special budget next year and make it a better 2012.

Cathy Kelly

9:48 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Jane/Joan, I am interested to hear your opinions on my response...

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Darlene Motto

9:57 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Any way you look at it. We needed more money for police to patrol and control the tourists in our town. Regardless if they were visiting the boardwalk, renters,town or other establishments. The meeting I was at if I can remember correctly some of the council members wanted to wait and see how bad it would get and if we really needed the money we can always request more? The council members have to be pro active with solutions not the wait and see approach until it happens. That usually does not work and could be too late.

pointman

10:03 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

If the town was short on money for budget reasons AGAIN why didnt they accept the 40.000 to help offset the cost and save the taxpayers some money.The only conclusion is that certain politicians want to continue the us against them campaign to fit there reelection bid. Turned down a free $40.000 to help the quality of life and claim it not enough. Well $40.000 is a lot more than ZERO. You talk about working together ,it will never happen as long a the captian of this sinking ship sits in the middle.And by the way,who authorizes the billing to Jenkinsons.Can someone tell us.

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sandinmytoes

10:26 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

It reminds me of that bill that the Chamber of Commerce got hit with after the Seafood Festival either last year or the year before. Remember that one? I think Ms. Vaccaro ended up coming to the Council meeting to discuss it.

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Darlene Motto

10:00 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Is it possible, it could be considered a bribe? I am not saying it is, but could it be. Isn't this why we have a town lawyer. Did any council members ask him for advise and could have this offer been considered a bribe.

Cathy Kelly

11:34 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Why is it that when Facts are stated,Noone responds to the facts and the subject is diverted??

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Cathy Kelly

11:37 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Jane,Joan,Pointman,Hilde,Sand,Sean,etc..if it is costing you $120,000 for a service,would you accept $40,000.? Simple question...

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sandinmytoes

8:23 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Ms. Kelly, I'm confused as to why you included my name in this post. I don't think that I commented on the $40K in this article. Or, are you simply asking me for my general opinion on an issue?

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pointman

9:21 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

I know I shouldnt respond to you but I will. $40.000 is $40.000 more then anyone else offered. And like you said this was before summer.Well if they took that money before the summer and used it to add more police (snap program) earlier in the season then maybe this year wouldnt have been as bad as reported. The message by police that PPB wasnt going to put up with rowdy people would have been sent out earlier in the season instead of later . Also the Mayor and Council would not of had to spend $90.000 in TAXPAYERS money to boost the patrols(OP/RICE /K) weeks later.While it may not be all of the money requested it was a start as Chief O Hara said and would of stopped a lot of the complaints between Memorial day and 4th of July. And one more time, as Barrella/Corbally/Dave droned on that this $40.000 was to overlook ( bribe) the ordinence then WHY wasnt Jenkinson issued a violation???? (can you answer that and not avoid the ?) .No summon was issued to them WHY???? the only answer is they were not in violation. It was a political show ,the old if I cant play Im taking my ball and bat. So now what do you have ? no $40.000 and a TAXPAYER bill of $90.000. If they accepted the $40.000 and still needed more police later it would have cost the TAXPAYER $50.000 instead of $90.000 .Cant make it any clearer than that. Maybe you can answer my other question Who authorized the billing to Jenkinsons? was it the full Council or as I suspect only one member who had no right to do so....

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Jane Reynolds

7:12 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

My question was about the $95 bond and did it include the specials training for 2012...not about $40K vs $120K...

Cathy Kelly

11:41 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

And Again,that was before THIS summer started....

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Joan Vuocolo

6:04 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

@cathy-whenever I respond to any of your posts, I address you using your name in the post. So to answer your question...No, I wasn't responding to you!

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Cathy Kelly

9:33 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Sand,I was just asking your opinion. @Point,I cannot answer your question about the violation because I have no idea if they were given one. That should be a question for our Council members.As far as the billing being authorized,the first time I heard about them being billed was on these comments,so again,you should ask the Council.

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sandinmytoes

10:20 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Okay, since you asked, the way I heard it, Jenkinson's offered $40K, but the Mayor wanted them to give $60K. When they refused to give him what he wanted, the Mayor ended the discussions. I think the "bribe" thing was just an excuse for their failure to accept the $40K. If the Special Events ordinance could be enforced the way Corbally says, then the town should've enforced it, and they could've enforced it whether they took the $40K or not. What could Jenkinson's do if they gave the $40K and the town still fined them for violations of the Special Events ordinance? Nothing. I mean, how could Jenkinson's go to court and say "Well, judge, you see we gave them $40K so they wouldn't enforce that law against us." I think the judge would laugh. Bribes really only become a public problem when an elected official accepts the bribe and does what he said he would do for the person who gave him the bribe. But, you see, I think Corbally knew that he couldn't enforce the ordinances the way he said that he could. Plus, do you really think they should go after the Boardwalk for things like the Fireworks and Egg Hunts? The way I've been reading your posts, you don't seem to have a problem with the family-oriented Boardwalk activities that bring tourist families to our town. It's the alcohol issues that seem to cause you and so many so much concern. Am I right?

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Joan Vuocolo

9:14 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@ cathy - as far as the billing goes, you might want to ask blindbert...he appears to be knowledgable on the subject.

pointman

9:41 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Ok Councilman Corbally you monitor this site on your blackberry. Can you answer the questions as you should know.
#1. Why wasnt Jenkinsons issued a summon for violating the special event ORD.
#2. Who authorized the billing to Jenkinson for services.Now no taking the 5th on that one.

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Cathy Kelly

10:28 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Sand,while I somewhat agree with what your saying,I don't know for sure if it could be enforced or not,I guess only time will tell. I do not believe that everything(Easter Egg Hunt etc..)is a "Special Event" I do believe that having 4 bands there on the Friday of Memorial Day weekend IS a Special Event. If Chief Ohara made a list of which events require more Police than usual than I feel that he knows the facts and therefore should be listened to.

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sandinmytoes

9:15 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

I know that Jenkinson's has been hosting a big Memorial Day kickoff event on that Friday for years. They usually bring in a well-known band. A few years ago, for example, they brought in the Beach Boys. I went up to try to hear that band, and saw a lot of locals at the event, even some with their kids who they pulled out of school for the event. So, unless I'm missing something, my guess is that the police have been planning for a big event that Friday as a result of bands for at least the past several years. I do recognize how you make a distinction between that Friday event and events like the Egg Hunt, as the bands are less family-oriented. What confuses me, though, is why you're not more angry with the Mayor and Councilman Corbally for not raising this issue earlier in the political careers. If you're right, and they should have to file a Special Events application for something like that Friday band event, then they should've been filing one for years, certainly years when Barrella was the Mayor of this town, and probably when Corbally was a Councilman years ago. If you're right about this, aren't you angry with Barrella and Corbally for not bringing this up years ago? I mean, just think of the money the town could've been collecting already. Heck, if we had collected that money last year, maybe we wouldn't have had so many furlough days this year.

Cathy Kelly

10:31 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

My compromise would be to fill out SOME of the Special Event applications(unless they believe that they don't have any at all) and reimburse the taxpayers for what it is costing us for the extra Police needed.

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Cathy Kelly

10:34 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Why should they not have to fill out any applications at all? Every other business in town has to.

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Part Timer

11:43 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Please stop with the $40k donation, that is not going to help change the quality of life in PPB. If you except there donantions they are not going to change the way they run there clubs and all we are left with is lights and sirens blarring around town. If they are willing to work with the residents and truly care about OUR quality of life then we should be able to come up with a better solution.

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Jane Reynolds

2:00 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

referendum...condemn the boardwalk and the town can buy it...all of your problems are solved

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Part Timer

2:14 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Jane Reynolds, It seems that you are the only one in favor of both clubs on the BW, can you tell me what position you and your husband hold at these clubs, (Bartender, Manager, etc)

Part Timer

11:49 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

And if they are not willing to compromise with the elected officials then we the residents can change the way they do business by calling the division of alcohol beverage control and file a report.
http://www.state.nj.us/oag/abc/investigations.html

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Jane Reynolds

7:22 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

look at the minutes form the April 19, 2011 council meeting...(if you weren't at the meeting) it looks like there was discussion at another meeting earlier in the month about trying to work on something but they couldn't agree...

Cathy Kelly

9:36 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Sand, actually I am glad that you brought this up. I believe the town is getting worse than ever and years ago the "quality of life"has not deteriorated"to the point that it has now. EVERYONE,looked the other way and allowed it to happen,but now the residents are fed up and insisting that our Council do something about it...Not only am I not angry with Corbally and Barella, I respect them for doing the job,on behalf of the residents,that they were elected to do... Years ago,when it wasn't bad many(including myself)could care less who was getting away with what. The time has changed and the residents are paying......Does that answer your question?

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Cathy Kelly

9:39 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Again,not one person answered my question about. If it costs you $120,000 and you are offered $40,000. Are you ok with that...Still waiting for answers....

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Part Timer

10:24 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Cathy, as I stated in my previous post... NO I do not want any money from the BW owners.

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Jane Reynolds

9:47 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

how come we allow out of district students to come to PPB at a reduced rate and the residents get to foot the bill for that??? but somehow that's ok.....

Cathy Kelly

9:42 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Jane,as I said in my post. There was a meeting with BW business owners where Chief Ohara was asked for the costs of extra Police. He had a list of events with the costs associated. That's where the $120,000. came from. I suggest if you would like the details,than you should email the Chief.

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Joan Vuocolo

10:59 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Cathy-I am responding to your question...I will definitely e-mail Chief O'Hara and ask him for an explanation of the costs associated with extra police for special events. Also, one other question I would like to know... Is the cost proposed stricly for BW special events?

blindbert

9:59 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Joan and Cathy
It was stated at a recent council meeting that the bill was sent, and that there was no response to it. Councilmen Corbally is the one who said that at the meeting. You will have to wait until minutes are approved and published.

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blindbert

10:18 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

People get ready there a change a comin
You don't need no baggage, just get on board
All you need is faith to hear the some politicians lying
Don't need the wrong ticket,
Just vote for those who care

Please do not vote for the Regular Republicans Tim Lurie and Frank Rizzo
They will vote for the BW interests.
Bought for, Paid, and Sold

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Joan Vuocolo

10:31 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@blindbert-how long does it take for minutes to be approved and published? You see... I'm so tired, I haven't slept a wink...too much PPB politics!!!

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blindbert

10:41 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Generally one meeting to approve. The last one was held up for review.
I think the last meeting published on the PPB org site 7/19.

Cathy Kelly

10:44 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@part timer..I apologize,I am confused by your response. What do you want?

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Cathy Kelly

10:53 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Blindbert,I have experienced firsthand the so called Republican Club. There were about a dozen to 18 people standing outside in the cold,we were refused entrance They claimed that they welcomed everyone and that they were open to change yet we still stood there freezing outside while Steve Reid was voted in that night. They had a Policeman stand at the door and not allow anyone who was not already a member in.....The whole process was by far the most despicable excuse for any Politician that I have ever witnessed...

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sandinmytoes

11:36 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Cathy, why did you go to that Republican Club meeting? Were you a member of the Republican Club? I remember hearing about that meeting. It was held in November or December, right? After the November election? Didn't they open up the meeting to the public after they elected the officers?

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Darlene Motto

12:49 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Sorry, but after what the republican club pulled that night, I will not give them the time of day.

Mike Corbally

11:11 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Bills have been sent to Jenkinsons only for the expense of extra "specials" assigned to their events. For example "directing traffic" at Jenkisons concerts. The actual budget expense for police for just controlling the BW nightclubs in 2012 between 10PM and 4AM will be close to $400K plus the police for special events. If the electorate is OK with picking up that expense in their tax bill and continue the current decline in quality of life, it will happen. That is a fact!

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pointman

11:57 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Councilman Corbally Who authorized this billing ????? was it the Mayor and Council or was it you.

Cathy Kelly

11:22 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Joan, Not only was the cost strictly for the BW events but I believe it was strictly for Jenkinsons events(not Martells) I am not 100% sure that it was only Jenks but I am pretty sure the events listed were only Jenks. As I stated to Jane,you can email Chief Ohara and ask him...

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Cathy Kelly

11:56 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

@Sand,I am an independent also. In order to vote in the primary,you MUST claim a party,I chose republican and I am in the process of going back to independent. I do not agree 100% with Republicans,or a 100% with Democrats so therefore I am an independent. Again,up until now,I thought you were reasonable. If you are going to sit here and act like the people do not realize what has been going on in the Republican Club is only insulting the intelligence of the residents...I attended the meeting because I wanted to get involved. It was a disgrace and many republicans that I know are embarassed to belong to this particular club...I have stated the facts to you,I cannot be any more honest than I have been yet you choose to ignore the truth and sidetrack what is actually happening.....I understand loyalty,what I don't understand is people blatantly not accepting responsibility...

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Cathy Kelly

11:59 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Mr.Reid basically said,I will change things but I am going to do WHATEVER I have to,to be voted in first...That is the truth....(Coming from someone who witnessed it firsthand) standing in the freezing cold...It just does not sit well with me........

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Cathy Kelly

12:10 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

By the way,I have sent him an email,soon after it happened and expressed it to him...just so there is no misunderstanding.....

Cathy Kelly

12:08 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

@Sand,to answer your other post about downtown businesses,I know a few people that had businesses on bay and arnold ave and the landlords got greedy and kept raising rents above what was reasonable(even in this economy) and that contributed to why some storefronts closed. They have now moved to different locations,some in town,some out of town and they are thriving so please know there are different reasons for businesses moving out of town.It has nothing to do with lack of tourists....

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Darlene Motto

7:06 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

@Cathy, I agree, I would also like to add some businesses were completely frustrated with the stipulations and the narrow mindedness of Pt. Beach officials who control what a business can or can't do. They couldn't wait to get out. Once the town allowed new restaurants to be added to the town is when visitors starting to come to town. Competition is a good thing. You can have two restaurants that are similar and right next door to each other and both can thrive and stay in business. Look at NY, you can have two pizza places right next door to each other and both are successful. Good Restaurants will bring visitors in to shop and make any town thrive. Individuals go in to business for many different reasons and many want to operate their own store the way they want to, we can't tell them when to open or close their business. That is at their own discretion and the reason they go in to business in the first place. They choose their own road, they can't blame us if they choose to close earlier or open late and might miss some business, that is up to them.

Darlene Motto

9:25 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

@Iman, That is one area of businesses that we have enough of. We don't need anymore Bars period, I think we have enough of those already. I would say 18 and counting in a one mile town is enough. I like your sense of humor. Now take a deep breath everyone, have a drink or two, but stay out of trouble.

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Sean Hennessy

12:05 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

I see there has been many posts over the last couple days and I apologize for not getting back to some of the questions different people asked me.

Sand, you asked me about the specials budget for 2010 and 2011. The appropriation put in the budget in 2010 was $265,000, in 2011 it was $305,000.

Cathy, you may be correct about the $120,000 the chief figured. Alot of different numbers were being thrown around at the time. As I said in an earlier post, I was not at the meeting when the chief and Jenkinson's representatives met to work out a number, but after the meeting I did speak directly to the chief and he said "the $40,000 was a good start". I agreed with him. Sure, we can ask for any amount we want but that does not mean we are going to get it. I don't know any business person who would just hand out money in any denomination when someone asks for it. So again, you may be right about the $120,000 but I think $40,000 from Jenkinson's is a whole lot better than $90,000 from the residents.

Darlene, I would support businesses having to hire private haulers pick up their trash as long as it was for everyone and done fairly. That is why I don't agree with the hotel/motel tax. That tax is isolated on only 17 businesses while real estate agents and private owners can rent houses(animal houses/group rentals) and no tax is slapped on them. By the way, those animal houses and group renters are becoming the increasing problem, not the majority of familes in the hotels.

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Cathy Kelly

12:27 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Sean,there seems to be a little contradiction on your part. You say you were against the motel tax because it only pertained to certain businesses yet you have no problem with Every other business in town filling out event applications except the BW. Seems like a double standard to me....

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David Cavagnaro

2:33 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

I thought the issue of the Council’s refusal to accept the $40,000 donation form Jenkinson’s had been settled long ago. Check the April 19, 2011 Council minutes under the discussion of ordinance 2011-08. Mayor Barrella asks Mr. McGlynn, attorney for Jenkinson’s, the “$40,000 to be donated to the Special Police Officers Budget is in lieu of Jenkinson’s having to complete special event applications?” Mr. McGlynn’s response “That’s right!”. Borough Attorney Gannon advised “if someone is making a donation…in lieu of an ordinance enforcement, that’s not government as I know it.” The comment, “working outside of Borough ordinances” was repeated in several news articles. The conditions of the “donation” may have been perceived as a bribe! Jenkinson’s attorneys quickly pointed out there was no intent to violate the law. However, while they could have then donated the $40,000 with no “conditions”, Jenkinson’s did not do so. The Council acted correctly, and with advice of the attorney to not accept the “donation”. I’m surprised that any Council member would still think it was a good idea to accept the money with conditions.

Mike Corbally

12:25 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

They were billed just like the Chamber, or American Cancer Society is billed when more officers are required than planned because of an event. Their is an ordinance on the books, and we are following the law. As Finance Chairman I am concerned about the town paying for any extra manpower that is not town sponsored. I do not want a repeat of furlough days for our employees. I'm hoping the meetings we are currently having will come up with solutions to the "quality of life" and "financial" realities we must contend
with.

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Jane Reynolds

1:58 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

it's not quite the same for all...
2011-09...
"The charge for said quasi-public duty shall be sixty ($60.00) dollars per hour for the police officer and fifteen ($15.00) dollars per hour to the Borough for its administrative expenses and costs. The rate charged to local nonprofit or not-for-profit organizations shall be a total of twenty-five ($25.00) dollars per hour.
In an effort to promote local businesses, at the discretion of the Governing Body and based on its judgment of the circumstances, this rate may be lowered to fifteen ($15.00) per hour for Point Pleasant Beach Chamber of Commerce events.

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pointman

2:02 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Councilman Corbally cant you answer a simple question without putting your spin on it.I will try again,are you ready
WHO AUTHORIZED THE BILLING TO JENKINSONS was it the Mayor and Council or YOU. It not a difficult question to answer and the more you dance around it the more it looks like your idea. If it was your idea thats fine ,well was it. Also you say there is an ordinance that is to be followed ,did Jenkinson follow it and if not were they summons for violating it.2month have past and no violation issued WHY?????????? Councilman Corbally this is the 3rd time asking about authorization of the billing.

Sean Hennessy

12:35 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Mr. Loder,

You mentioned the budget in your post and said we need to tap into tourism more. Our municipal budget is roughly 12 million dollars, of that 12 million 6 million is paid through taxation. The other 6 million is generated revenue which includes : parking, court, interest, state aid, delinquent taxes,construction code fees, cell tower fees, permits, licenses, alcohol bev. renewals, and the motel tax. We generate roughly 2.8 million dollars directly from tourism between the parking, court, and motel tax. I think that is pretty remarkable. How many other towns can generate that kind of revenue from tourism for basically 4 months out of the year. That revenue, whether some like it or not, creates hundreds of jobs for our town employees and residents who work in the tourism industry in some capacity. People should be careful when they talk about extracting more money from tourism and the boardwalk businesses in specific because someday(I'm hoping not in my lifetime) those businesses and boardwalk may not be there any longer. Then what do we do ? Become Spring Lake and have our taxes quadruple because the tourism industry would be gone without it. No parking, no court revenue, no motels would equal a huge amount of jobs lost.

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Jane Reynolds

2:01 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

don't think the budget called for $400K for police either...

Part Timer

2:18 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Lets take a poll:
Who controls the town?
1-The Mayor
2-The Council
3- Boardwalk Business Owners

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Mike Corbally

2:23 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

I don't believe authorization is needed. I am aware of and completely support billing for our officers time for private or charitable events when needed. I take full responsibility!!!!!

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Part Timer

2:51 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Please stop with the $40k donation, that is not going to help change the quality of life in PPB. If you except there donantions they are not going to change the way they run there clubs and all we are left with is lights and sirens blarring around town. If they are willing to work with the residents and truly care about OUR quality of life then we should be able to come up with a better solution.

And if they are not willing to compromise with the elected officials then we the residents can change the way they do business by calling the division of alcohol beverage control and file a report.
http://www.state.nj.us/oag/abc/investigations.html

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