One would think the dirt bike kids would just tear it up but I have been on it in barnegat and waretown and north in berkley and have not seen much if any damage done by quads/dirtbikes. Lacey has, what seems like the perfect trail already to go north of lacey road. Only issue would be by the tressel bridge by hebrew park.

I have been on it in barnegat and waretown and north in berkley and HAVE seen alot damage done by quads/dirtbikes and berkley has been bad !'
Alot of people have inadvertently encroached on land that wasn’t theirs. Their fences may not be on their property HA HA

i think we should have rail trail we r the only one with out this i say bike trail no road just saying

that road brings so many memories from my childhood coming down in summer to take the canoe to the tressel. it cant be changed!

If the town was really acting in the best interest of everyone, they would wait to see the impact of the improvements that will be made by the DOT @ Lacey and 9 in 2012. Any attempt to rush the bypass road before that happens is a gross misuse of taxpayer money. Wake up TC !! And don't give me the BS about the bond and the money already spent. Chalk that up to the past and don't double down until the benefits of using state tax dollars to fix their road are known.

Shouldn't the inspector ensure the fences are on the property of the owner? Unless those fences were put up without permits, which in itself should result in a fine, correct?

The town has no money.. Personally they should lay of 20% of the township employees.. We lived Without(their so called word day) last year for 6 months.. And everything was still acomplished,,This isn't a high skill job they are performing

Hey Steve, how will the Lacey Road and Route 9 intersection improvement help the school busses out of LH School and handle traffic from the churches, both of them?

anything has to be better then what it is right now. omg. with all the junk n crap on it a road, walk trail or bike trail will improve it. also maybe the parents of these kids with dirt bikes should get off their butts n teach the kids to respect what is not their's. that is what the problem is. years ago kids would never be this way.

Exactly Steve, that's all we wanted to build, but the not in my backyard rail trail group forced the entire road to be built. The streach of the road proposed would have gone to Musket by the Shop Rite to get traffic to Lake Barnegat Drive without going on Route 9 or Lacey Road.

That was it!

I don'tknow all the stuff that went on but I find it hard to believe that you are being forced to build a bigger road that was wanted.

I also don't see Lacey road as the major problem, it is Rte 9 that causes the massive congestion so getting the road up to Musket is not as important as allowing the Sunrise/Riviera Beach traffic to get to Lacey without going south on 9.

If you simply connect to Sunrise blvd extension behind HD and then south to Lacey it will get you the LH turn relief for the church and schools and they can go north on 9 at Sunrise. If they want to connect to Lake Barnegat they can go right on Lacey and get there. There is already a way to get to the Shoprite plaza from musket accessible from Lake Barnegat, just can get to HD/Kohls/Staples, we can deal with being on Rt9 for a 1/4 of a mile to get there.

we have already wasted millions on this road to nowhere that only benefits quinn and t&m engineering and guarantees a steady paycheck for gilmore. even the voting above everytime a trail article appears shows a vast majority dont want a road that cost millions all so tim o connor doesnt have to have a hard time making a left turn on rt 9. rt 9 has a hundred other spots where its hard to make a left to head south or depending on which side of 9 to turn north. most people with common sense will get on 9 and then make a left and u turn when traffic clears instead of sitting there. . and the abuse of eminent domain is the worst thing a town can go thru. tim o connor wants eminent domain the worst kind of govt intrusion on anyone's lives and property. o connor loves that slogan "not in my backyard' but you better believe if this road was going to be built anywhere near his house he would be the first one screaming bloody murder. he bashes quinn and others until he has the same agenda as them. then its flip flop time.

Lake Barnegat Drive TRUE speed is 35 up to 40 mph and the stop sign's have been put up for the people of that part of town . The engineering for Lake Barnegat Drive is a 35 to 40 mph Road and NO stop sign's . Just go to the County and ask to see the engineering for Lake Barnegat Drive . What road do you know that is that wide and speed is so slow and has stop sign's at cross street like that ( NONE ). Look at the engineering for Lake Barnegat Drive

I love the comment about the simple left turn. It is school busses making that left turn on Lacey Road. It is the lines of cars from two churches, including CCD forced onto Lacey Road. I guess pulling Lacey Police of patrol to handle the problem of congestion is OK with you also. Not to mentioned the cost of the officer daily?

To spread the traffic out in different direction and bring remaining traffic to a signal intersection is the only fix.

Apparently those against the fix don't have kids in that school, go to church or live along the road way like the not in my back yard rail trail group.

12 feet on the west side is where half the trees are located. The center portion is cleared and would be a sensible place to keep the trail. The Twp decision to allow 12 feet on the western--most portion is ludicrous.

Hay gbshore, yes I do remember the "so called 3rd party study", it included;

A lot of very expensive theories of state of the art environmental delusions not on the plans.

Since there was an incomplete set of design for them to use, they thru in every thing they could think of.

Added the Lacey Road intersection and the Haines Street intersection improvement
with street lights and all,both county roads.

400 feet of culverts/bridges I still can't figure out were they went.

A traffic study describing our traffic problems did not justify the expense. Did I mention the traffic study was conducted on May 8?

Then on top of all this they added a 20% cost over run fudge factor.

But most importaint was paid for by a woman who lives on a dead end road that will turn into a T intersection.

Also the purchase of lands they thought we would also need on the designs completed yet. The real funny part was the lands listed for purchase, the township already owned.

So if you know, then you know...many meetings...you DO hear and see all the bills correct when they vote on them? FACT...approximately $3 million bonded for originally....FACT approximately $1 million spent on soft cosst for the first CAFRA permit...Gravatt Engineering, applications, gobs of money to Gilmore.....CAFRA PERMIT DENIED...post 2006...approximately $1 million spent on same nonsense for 2nd CAFRA permimt submission..same engineering except T&M...more gobs of money to Gilmore...you want the bills? go to town hall..they are all there...nice pseudonym BTW...

and to answer your question steve o connor wanted to make a left from bayway to turn on 9 south. he then demanded the town move the light at south st further north to bayway which the dot and the town both knew would result in death and wrecked cars once they came around a blind curve at 50 mph and right into a red light.

@Tim, If all your ranting is about the need to make a left turn out of the schools and churches on Lacey it makes no sense to me. You don't need anything more than a small portion that connects Lacey to the Sunrise Blvd extension that runs alongside of Home Depot. We don't need to extend the new road to go any further North than what is needed to connect and get you to the light at Sunrise. If you have the need to get further north make an right and take Lake Barnegat.

I disagree Steve, right now the first portion is all we want to build, but in the real world you have to reserve your options for the future. When you design a community, you would address needs over the next hundred years. It does not mean you are going to perform the actual construction now. That is the scam or fraud being waged by the not in my back yard rail trail group.

The road we are discussing today has been part of the Township Master Plan since the late 1970’s. That’s over three decades and will not be done for probably another 20 years.

I get all the planning stuff even though 100 years couldn't possible be planned with any accuracy whatsoever.

Why do you need to go to Musket in the first portion instead of stopping at Home Depot and connecting to Sunrise ??

You have to go back in time and look at what existed when this discussion took place. The extension of sunrise did not exist then. The first road was Musket.

The stupid, expensive, dangerous road would not be in MY backyard. Still don't want it.

@Tim, well now that there are other options than Musket it should be considered. This is why no matter how much forward planning is done there is always the need to take all current conditions into account. To ignore it just because it wasn't there at the time is not sensible.

That's just it; the current need is from the extension of Sunrise Bvd to Lacey Road. I was only trying to make the point why the discussion was to Musket. The addition distance from Sunrise to Musket should be consider. As an extra, separate line item.

dr smith the only crackerjacks you are involved with have a prize in them. you dont watch town meetings and then demand proof from those that do. and like o connor this road is in your self interest. the rest of the taxpayers will just have to sacrifice to look out for your need to save 3 minutes getting to lacey road.

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funny how white honor and john smith literally finish each other's sentences and then congratulate each other . as for tim o connor you can find him under many names "wiseguy" , "tp" (timmy using his middle initial), bn (his more racial personality) as well as others. its always funny to see with names like "john smith (was john doe taken?) as well as 50 other names o connor always demands to know the real names of all opposing him. more than likely so he can go down to the town hall and look into your private info like he did to that widow he terrorized for months. and yes i admit i,m also gb shore . smith and o connor you both should be in a cop buddies tv show like starsky and hutch or cagney and lacey . o connor you can be lacey since you look up the info of every lacey resident.

@ john smith . wow we are so impressed you got a webster's dictionary for christmas. i guess you spend half the day looking up $5 words in there and the other half of the day writing them on the patch. maybe you should go on jeopardy and try and win some money instead of spending every waking minute on the patch.

and dont threaten o connor, on a recent article about the child abduction class he started his comment with his resume which of course included him being a karate expert. oh and i forgot on the patch he is also "grime" . no two people can have spelling that bad.

looks like timmy called his friend elaine pinat again and ordered her to start deleting comments. he is ashamed of what he did to that widow and his campaign for eminent domain. mention either of the two and timmy gets on the hotline direct right to elaine.

and timmy you can have elaine delete my comment stating what the voting poll above says but you cant delete the poll itself. as of now almost 70% of the residents of this town dont want this road. so you and your other personalities better spend the next few hours repeatedly voting for the by pass road.

just reading some of your comments john smith . you present zero evidence against those who are telling what they,ve seen be said at town meetings and you tell them they can,t prove what they saw. even when a poll is put on the patch showing how unpopular this road is you say "cant be so". meanwhile tim o connor is arguing with what he thinks are imaginary people who are all after him. if it wasnt such a waste of our tax dollars this whole thread would be a comedy.

I think both sides have passion and are unwilling to tell us the cost. I would like to see what the facts are. So far all I see are children fighting in the sandbox.

ed crowley its public knowledge because the town meetings are televised on ch 21 where tim o connor got up to the microphone and publicly stated that a certain house which happens to be a second home or summer home might not have anyone at home because its lights were on timers. this in a town where a record amount of break ins are going on mainly because of the drug oxycontin. this family mostly spent weekends in this home and the idea that tim o connor was walking around their property at nite looking in their windows frightened them. how many people who have a summer home or even a little cabin down here would want every thief and addict in town to know they might not be at home during certain weekdays? people use nicknames on here ed because they dont want the hassle of having tim o connor stalk them too.again ed all of this was done on the public record and minutes of the meetings etc can easily be looked up.

while youre at it ed check out gary quinn's properties that will all be connected now by a road that mr quinn wont be paying for you mr crowley will. and ed check out the poll above theres a reason this road was voted down already and at minimum at least a million dollars has already been wasted on it mostly from engineers looking at it every month and legal fees to pay the town lawyer at $175 per hour for years now.its a cash cow to everyone that connected to the good ole boys who run this town . currently lacey is in debt for millions . the good ole boys dug the hole now they want to pave a road.

gee timmy why did you get a cease and desist letter from that woman's lawyer asking that you stop telling people her home was on timers putting her and her family in danger. ?the same letter you read at the next town meeting. as for smith he doesnt watch the town meetings so he is clueless when it comes to the committee voting yes every month on sending checks to t&m engineering and gilmore. anyone can look up the minutes of the meetings on the website to see what timmy said over and over again at the meetings. and again anyone can look up where quinn's properties run along that road and what a freebie it will be to him when the road connects his properties. you have to ask yourself when o connor is bashing quinn on every post on here why is it that o connor is quiet on what everyone else in town already knows.

for those playing at home google lacey township meeting minutes . go to march 25 th 2010 . its a condensed version of what comments were mentioned by the public at that meeting. you will see tim o connor not only repeated the woman's name on the record but also her address stating that her lights were on timers. most of the time you can see the rest of the audience rolling their eyes whenever o connor gets up to the mike and even though he gets up for a long speech at every meeting most of the meeting minutes as you can see didnt even pay attention to what he said. but the minutes of march 25 th 2010 are up there and no matter how many phone calls timmy makes to elaine to delete them she cant. she can only delete the comments on the patch he doesnt like especially when they reveal with public records what he tries to deny now.

hows that for hype smith?

and john smith instead of looking up fancy words all day go to the lacey township website click on "minutes" for the town meeting of april 22 2010 . it states that tim o connor read the cease and desist letter sent to him by the senior citizen he was harrassing and mentioning on tv as well. so much for delusions ay timmy? its all there in black and white your campain of terror against an old lady and your quest for eminent domain in lacey. and elaine before you go deleting this look it up for yourself. if youre a journalist you will agree with what i,ve said to look up.

and smith why dont you see what hastings , gb shore and others saw at the meeting of may 13th 2010. this was the only time this woman appeared at a town meeting in tears pleading not to destroy her home. it was afterwards when she left in tears that o connor got up with a smile on his face joking as to maybe she left early because she didnt want to debate him about the fate of her home.

Wow....late night for some of you. Yes, it is true...here is from the 4/22/10 meeting minutes available on the website:
Township of Lacey, Township Meeting Minutes, April 22 2010, Page 2 of 3
http://www.laceytownship.org/filestorage/495/497/2010-04-22__T.pdf

...and when the Jones' came to the Town Meeting and she and her son both spoke...

http://www.laceytownship.org/filestorage/495/497/2010-05-13_T.pdf

THE NOT IN MY BACK YARD RAIL TRAIL GROUP used an old woman, who lives in Philadelphia to fraudulently scam an issue of creating a situation that did not exist. The township wanted to build a short distance of the bypass road. The NOT IN MY BACK YARD RAIL TRAIL forced the issue with the DEP to design the entire road. This included a small wetland crossing and a house that was in it's path.

The house that was in it's path is vacant except for maybe two weeks in a year. The NOT IN MT BACK YARD GROUP during this scam on the township exploited this old woman to create a media fire storm. When I called them on this tactic, they tried to intimidate me by threatened me with a letter. I then took that letter and read it out loud at the meeting to show how extreme or lengths they would go in scamming the good residents of Lacey.

I wish you would go back and view those meeting and see the fraud of the NOT IN MY BACK YARD RAIL RAIL TRAIL was committing. Just remember all this money wasted on a set of permits and law suits, that will expire long before they would ever actually be required.